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breath of the wild would have a 75 metacritic if it were an original IP

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KhlavicLanguage 23 hours ago#1
generic open-world game
BLAKUboy 23 hours ago#2
Or even any existing non-Zelda IP.
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prettyprincess 23 hours ago#3
would it
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boxington 23 hours ago#4
it's a good game, but yea, I feel that a lot of its praise comes from the fact that it's a LoZ.
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SuperGamer5 23 hours ago#5
For the record, I haven't played Breath of the Wild, but I have played a bunch of other Zelda games, and I feel like they get bloated Metacritic scores just for being Zelda games.

I can't speak on Breath of the Wild, maybe it is as good as everyone says, but given my past experience with the franchise, I'd probably say it's not. I don't know about a 75, but it'd almost assuredly be lower than it is.
AngelsNAirwav3s 23 hours ago#6
I have never played a Zelda game before and I thought BotW was one of the best games I have ever played
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Link HT 23 hours ago#7
Nope, game's revolutionary. Having the zelda name helped it for sure but that can be said about literally any game in a well known franchise.
boxington 23 hours ago#8
how's it revolutionary?
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Romulox28 23 hours ago#9
it's extremely dull, basically a collection of all the lame elements of open world games thrown together
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BlackHorse6969 23 hours ago#10
Can you climb anywhere you want to, in any other video game? No. That's why it's revolutionary
ForestLogic 23 hours ago#11
Your thread would have 2 replies if it weren't a Zelda topic.
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epik_fail1 23 hours ago#12
My main problem with this game is

The gameplay elements are amazing.

The quests that surround the world are extremely boring.
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Link HT 23 hours ago#13
boxington posted...
how's it revolutionary?

There are hundreds of reviews out on the game, most of which give the game a perfect score. If you truly want to know then go read a few from whatever websites you trust. If you don't care enough to do that then you won't care enough for whatever I write about my own personal experience with the game.
boxington 23 hours ago#14
BlackHorse6969 posted...
Can you climb anywhere you want to, in any other video game? No. That's why it's revolutionary

Spiderman and Spiderman 2
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voldothegr8 23 hours ago#15
People talk about bloated scores because it's Zelda, but they forget about some reviewers, often times infamous, who give it lower than deserved scores simply because they love shitting on Nintendo. 

Now I agree it would probably be lower if BotW was a new IP, but I'm willing to bet a paycheck it still would be 9 or higher. It's one of the best open world games I've ever played.
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ChromaticAngel 23 hours ago#16
BlackHorse6969 posted...
Can you climb anywhere you want to, in any other video game? No. That's why it's revolutionary


I take it you never played games like Just Cause 2?
BlackHorse6969 23 hours ago#17
boxington posted...
BlackHorse6969 posted...
Can you climb anywhere you want to, in any other video game? No. That's why it's revolutionary

Spiderman and Spiderman 2

Wrong. You can't climb the background in that game
SuperGamer5 23 hours ago#18
voldothegr8 posted...
People talk about a bloated scores because it's Zelda, but they forget about some reviewers, often times infamous, who give it lower than deserved scores simply because they love shitting on Nintendo. 

I'm not going to say that this isn't true, because I don't know if it is or not, but let's be honest, giving a Zelda a higher than deserved score is a much more common occurrence.

Skyward Sword, a game with almost objective flaws, has a 93.
legendarylemur 23 hours ago#19
I feel like people who don't enjoy BotW have 0 creativity. It's a game that you're allowed to take like 10 different approach to every problem. What open world does that?
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legendarylemur 23 hours ago#20
SuperGamer5 posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
People talk about a bloated scores because it's Zelda, but they forget about some reviewers, often times infamous, who give it lower than deserved scores simply because they love shitting on Nintendo. 

I'm not going to say that this isn't true, because I don't know if it is or not, but let's be honest, giving a Zelda a higher than deserved score is a much more common occurrence.

Skyward Sword, a game with almost objective flaws, has a 93.

Every game over 90 has objective flaws. I'd love to know what these "objective flaws" are though. Do you even remember what this game's about?
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boxington 23 hours ago#21
BlackHorse6969 posted...
boxington posted...
BlackHorse6969 posted...
Can you climb anywhere you want to, in any other video game? No. That's why it's revolutionary

Spiderman and Spiderman 2

Wrong. You can't climb the background in that game

it's been a while since I've played them, but what do you mean?
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epik_fail1 23 hours ago#22
legendarylemur posted...
I feel like people who don't enjoy BotW have 0 creativity. It's a game that you're allowed to take like 10 different approach to every problem. What open world does that?


Yeah that's pretty nice, but this is by far the open world game where I had the highest number of "empty" moments.
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SuperGamer5 23 hours ago#23
legendarylemur posted...
Every game over 90 has objective flaws. I'd love to know what these "objective flaws" are though. Do you even remember what this game's about?

Yeah you have to save Zelda lol

But you fly to these sky lands and collect doodads as per the Zelda formula with this sword that becomes the Master Sword at the end.

As far as the flaws, the motion controls are not nearly accurate enough to justify having them be so prevalent. And there was a point where you're carrying that robot dude to some mountain (that you've gone through earlier in the game), and he falls for no other reason than to pad the length of the game to make you go through the same area twice.

There are less "objective" issues I had, like some of the boring level designs, and making you do that tear-collecting thing from Twilight Princess like 4 different times.
boxington 23 hours ago#24
legendarylemur posted...
I feel like people who don't enjoy BotW have 0 creativity. It's a game that you're allowed to take like 10 different approach to every problem. What open world does that?

MGSV
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Romulox28 23 hours ago#25
legendarylemur posted...
I feel like people who don't enjoy BotW have 0 creativity. It's a game that you're allowed to take like 10 different approach to every problem. What open world does that?

honestly there have been so many open world games and there's nothing that BOTW does that's different than the others. maybe 10 years ago this would have been novel but now it's not, and this game does not seem to play up to any of the strengths of the zelda franchise
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BlackHorse6969 23 hours ago#26
boxington posted...
BlackHorse6969 posted...
boxington posted...
BlackHorse6969 posted...
Can you climb anywhere you want to, in any other video game? No. That's why it's revolutionary

Spiderman and Spiderman 2

Wrong. You can't climb the background in that game

it's been a while since I've played them, but what do you mean?

Not every area you see in the games is accessible. Some are sectioned off to create atmosphere
legendarylemur 23 hours ago#27
Romulox28 posted...
legendarylemur posted...
I feel like people who don't enjoy BotW have 0 creativity. It's a game that you're allowed to take like 10 different approach to every problem. What open world does that?

honestly there have been so many open world games and there's nothing that BOTW does that's different than the others. maybe 10 years ago this would have been novel but now it's not, and this game does not seem to play up to any of the strengths of the zelda franchise

Can you guys name specifics? I've seen like 3 different people solve a boulder puzzle in wildly different ways due to the mechanics in BotW. What other open world games let you freeze momentum in objects and blast it all in one go? They let you do this for like almost every interactable object. You can theoretically freeze those ball keys and fling them across the map in a ridiculous way to solve some puzzles. The 1 damage Deku Leaf is also one of the best items in the game for its versatility. Not many open worlds let you freeze enemies and launch them off cliffs with wind or attach a bomb and let you blow it towards the enemy to shoot it right above their heads. I can't think of an open world game that lets you remotely move metal objects above enemy's heads during a lightning storm and make lightning strike them down. 

"there's nothing that BOTW does that's different than the others." It's so easy to make statements like this to fit your narrative. Doesn't mean anything if you can't back it up
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if it was a new Sony IP it'd get a 90

if it was a new Nintendo IP it'd get an 80 and people would whine "why this instead of zelda/mario/smash?"

if it was a new Microsoft IP it'd get canceled 6 months before release and the dev gets shut down
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legendarylemur 23 hours ago#29
boxington posted...
legendarylemur posted...
I feel like people who don't enjoy BotW have 0 creativity. It's a game that you're allowed to take like 10 different approach to every problem. What open world does that?

MGSV

Yeah MGSV is a good example. It's also very fun in terms of problem solving. The problem with that game is the low amount of different problems available to solve where it sort of boils down to "how am I gonna kill that particular guy"
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Romulox28 23 hours ago#30
legendarylemur posted...
Romulox28 posted...
legendarylemur posted...
I feel like people who don't enjoy BotW have 0 creativity. It's a game that you're allowed to take like 10 different approach to every problem. What open world does that?

honestly there have been so many open world games and there's nothing that BOTW does that's different than the others. maybe 10 years ago this would have been novel but now it's not, and this game does not seem to play up to any of the strengths of the zelda franchise

Can you guys name specifics? I've seen like 3 different people solve a boulder puzzle in wildly different ways due to the mechanics in BotW. What other open world games let you freeze momentum in objects and blast it all in one go? They let you do this for like almost every interactable object. You can theoretically freeze those ball keys and fling them across the map in a ridiculous way to solve some puzzles. The 1 damage Deku Leaf is also one of the best items in the game for its versatility. Not many open worlds let you freeze enemies and launch them off cliffs with wind or attach a bomb and let you blow it towards the enemy to shoot it right above their heads. I can't think of an open world game that lets you remotely move metal objects above enemy's heads during a lightning storm and make lightning strike them down. 

"there's nothing that BOTW does that's different than the others." It's so easy to make statements like this to fit your narrative. Doesn't mean anything if you can't back it up

all that stuff you listed are things that are enjoyable to watch in a youtube video, but ultimately i dont think that's fun or engaging. 

when i was a kid this kind of stuff was a big draw to me, since i basically had all the time in the world to fuck around in games and was dedicated to get my money's worth on a new video game. however now that i have more money and less time it doesn't have the same draw. i don't care if i can experiment with launching enemies off cliffs or fight by manipulating the environment. i think it's cool you can do that, but i view those functions as tools to play the actual game, and what's in the actual game i dont find very fun.

granted i will readily admit i didnt put enough time in the game (i played about 10 hours) but what i did play showed me at its core that i was playing a game with all the boring elements of open world games and none of the stuff that i enjoy about zelda (well crafted dungeons, memorable characters, etc). 

everyone on CE knows i am an open world hater but every now and then i play an open world game that uses the formula right and i enjoy it. i just dont think BOTW is one of those games from what i have seen
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TrevorBlack79 23 hours ago#31
Romulox28 posted...
all that stuff you listed are things that are enjoyable to watch in a youtube video, but ultimately i dont think that's fun or engaging.


That's...backwards.
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Romulox28 23 hours ago#32
TrevorBlack79 posted...
Romulox28 posted...
all that stuff you listed are things that are enjoyable to watch in a youtube video, but ultimately i dont think that's fun or engaging.


That's...backwards.

idk how else to describe it.

it's like that stuff is fun to watch in a 3 minute dunkey video and laugh at, but im not going to turn on my switch and spend an hour messing around with goblins or whatever. stuff like this is not a draw to me in games. 

another example is GTAV, where it's fun to watch a 30 second clip of some guy doing a crazy jump on a motorcycle or something but i am not going to waste my playing time trying to emulate that
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thelovefist 23 hours ago#33
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