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...or at least partially (EDIT: "partially boycott", not "partially possible")? what i mean by that is, i'm totally open to pay for dedicated servers for games like splatoon and mario kart (specifically games with a lot of players and action going on, i guess). but if we have pay for private games and p2p online such as fighting games, an online mario party game with close friends or hell, even pokemon battling online, something would have to be done to prevent that from happening.
as a small, strong, dedicated fan base, i think we should have the power and vocality to at least make nintendo be reasonable with the service they'll provide us and not let their greed take them over. if nintendo does keep p2p and private games free, i may respect them with my life, but only time will tell and nintendo hasn't said anything yet, so i probably shouldn't be judging early on, but still, i am greatly concerned. ----- i got annoyed at the eu/au ps plus price hike recently and all i want to do is play ggxrd rev 2 online. i don't give a damn about the recent free aaa western games (killing floor, just cause 3, etc.) if that's the reason for the hike. i bought ggxrd for my ps3 today to test out the online and it baffles me how the online experience is pretty much the same as the ps4 version, but free. and even worse, it's also cross-play online with ps4 as well, so there shouldn't be any reason for the ps4 version to cost money for online. i've heard that inflation may also be a possible factor for the price hike, but again, why can i play ps3 online with ps4 players for free and not the other way around? i don't want to throw extra change into the incinerator. i know the price itself shouldn't be that big of a deal, but it's not about the money, it's all purely principle. like i said, i'm open to supporting dedicated servers for public games with hectic gameplay, but i don't want to see nintendo to go through the same route as sony and raise their prices as time goes on for features that should've been free in the first place. ----- what are your thoughts?
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There is, you just get a majority of them not buy the service.
The problem though is convincing people that it's not worth it, more so if say they actually give good perks to the service
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Eh, $20 isn't bad at all if they do a good job tackling hackers and the "free" games are worth it.
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Baha05 posted...
The problem though is convincing people that it's not worth it, more so if say they actually give good perks to the service agree. to convince them, you need to convince first the same thing for PS4 and Xbox One online services. and looking how those services are still going, is proof of how weak-minded the average consumer is. i personally boycott online gaming paid services as a whole, but if nobody agrees with me, then too bad for them. im not gonna force them to do anything they don't want to. |
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slyman19 posted...
Eh, $20 isn't bad at all if they do a good job tackling hackers and the "free" games are worth it. Pretty much this which is why it's going to be hard to convince people if the perks are good. Becasue what LM is forgetting with those other services for the base $60 a yea on each you are given some perks of the services that does add up.
"He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!"
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Baha05 posted...
There is, you just get a majority of them not buy the service. i think we nintendo gamers aren't as mainstream/unaware as sony/xbox gamers, so we should at least have somewhat of a bigger advantage to convince other people. also with the perks, even including them, no one can be dense enough to think that paying for online pokemon battling is acceptable.
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dixout4harambe posted...
Baha05 posted...There is, you just get a majority of them not buy the service. Of course it's acceptable to some people and that's okay. Stop degrading people because they are okay with paying for online. |
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Becasue what LM is forgetting with those other services for the base $60 a yea on each you are given some perks of the services that does add up. that's asuming those perks actually exist and/or are worth, like having dedicated servers, for example. the only perk Nintendo has over the other two is the price, but realistically speaking, people keep thinking they have a better online service when in reality is the same thing as back in the PS3 days or PC. most games still use P2P and there is still the same service on PS4 and X1, yet people keep falling for the advertisement. |
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p2p games n pokemon are my main gripes...
guess im sticking to local mp for pokemon...
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I would personally rather boycott the app rather than paid online in general. I don't really mind paying, but I DO have a problem paying money when basic features are being held hostage behind a secondary device
But as far as online goes, I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's not a big deal until the yearly price exceeds the cost of a standard retail game
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Jinzo 111887 posted...
PC gamers did it, so it is possible. And with that it's definitely you get what you pay for. |
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I'm just not going to pay for it or buy the games where online is the focus
Any games that I would want to play (MK8, Splatoon, Smash) I can just play online for free on Wii U anyway Can you boycott it? Sure, but good luck people really don't care about having to spend extra money and most even go out of their way to defend it |
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Rolfin posted...
I would personally rather boycott the app rather than paid online in general. I don't really mind paying, but I DO have a problem paying money when basic features are being held hostage behind a secondary device Agree. Price is fine for what you get but no native voice chat/forced 2nd device is awful.
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slyman19 posted...
Jinzo 111887 posted...By that, I assume you mean "less 'My account was hacked!' topics" on PC.PC gamers did it, so it is possible.
The Switch is not our future.
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Jinzo 111887 posted...
slyman19 posted...Jinzo 111887 posted...By that, I assume you mean "less 'My account was hacked!' topics" on PC.PC gamers did it, so it is possible. More like dead lobbies or hacker filled lobbies. Take your pick, PC online is shit either way. |
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Jinzo 111887 posted...Hackers get permabanned on PC. As for dead lobbies, ask Japanese LBP 3 players how the online community is these days.slyman19 posted...Jinzo 111887 posted...By that, I assume you mean "less 'My account was hacked!' topics" on PC.PC gamers did it, so it is possible.
The Switch is not our future.
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Jinzo 111887 posted...
slyman19 posted...Jinzo 111887 posted...Hackers get permabanned on PC as for dead lobbies, ask Japanese LBP 3 players how the online community is these days.slyman19 posted...Jinzo 111887 posted...By that, I assume you mean "less 'My account was hacked!' topics" on PC.PC gamers did it, so it is possible. Doesn't matter. They'll just create another free account and continue being assholes. Goddamn, you're reaching with LBP3. |
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Doesn't matter. They'll just create another free account and continue being assholes.And they have to rebuy the game. Heck, a youtuber known as the Red Dragon did a video where he commented on how hackers where getting permabanned and on PC, then going out and rebuying those games and getting banned again. Fine example of how Sony's not using the money people pay them to keep their games playable online. They actually shut down the Japanese servers. If the money is going towards keeping games online, that shouldn't have happened.
The Switch is not our future.
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Jinzo 111887 posted...
slyman19 posted...Doesn't matter. They'll just create another free account and continue being assholes.And they have to rebuy the game. Heck, a youtuber known as the Red Dragon did a video where he commented on how hackers where getting permabanned and on PC, then going out and rebuying those games and getting banned again. Seems like devs aren't doing a good job banning hackers. CoD and GTAV are filled with them. |
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Seems like devs aren't doing a good job banning hackers. CoD and GTAV are filled with them.Don't buy games from said developers, then. As for GTAV, Actually I think they are trying to crack down on that stuff with restrictions on the tool. They also had a bit of an issue with hackers playing on even separate servers.
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Why the hell didn't you so called 'gaming community' oppose Microsoft when they introduced the damn subscription?
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No and we will always have micro trans like shark cards.
Off topic I have never bought anything like SCs but have accepted it's the future gamers want. They say they don't like pay to win but love buying short cuts.
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I will pay for online to get those sweet free game even thought I didn't play online.
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You should have organized a boycott against Microsoft when they introduced paid online.
Now you'd only be hurting the console manufacturer who tried to avoid paid online as long as possible.
I hope Grasshopper's new PS4 game LET IT DIE will also come to the Nintendo Switch!
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slyman19 posted...
Eh, $20 isn't bad at all if they do a good job tackling hackers and the "free" games are worth it. Not paying it when they're doing such a shitty job with online chat by relying on smart phone for it. no thanks.
Less is more. Everything you want, isn't everything you need.
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Can we as a community please come together and stop complaining about the paid online? Thanks.
(what? how does it make sense to only see this from one side?)
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Let's see here... you expect the sewer of the gaming world that is gamefaqs and more specifically a specific subset of said community on top of an even smaller minority which are the ones who are against paid online... to get together and boycott nintendos online?
Didn't work when the PS4 fanboys tried it back when the PS4 came out, now they're all PS+ owners. HAH err... but I mean, sure let's do it! xD
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The very reason a boycott would never work is more than apparent in this topic: fanboys.
Komm suesser Tod
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Fauch posted...
The very reason a boycott would never work is more than apparent in this topic: fanboys.If you like it, you're a fanboy/girl. If you don't like it, you're either a hater or Sony/MS fanboy/girl. Either way, we can't win.
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QueenTakhisis posted...
Fauch posted...The very reason a boycott would never work is more than apparent in this topic: fanboys.If you like it, you're a fanboy/girl. If you don't like it, you're either a hater or Sony/MS fanboy/girl. Either way, we can't win. There's not much of a rationale liking to pay for something that used to be free.
Komm suesser Tod
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is it possible? yes, of course it is! and it would work, if no one or next to no one paid for it, they would be forced to changed their minds on it.
However The majority of console users are children and are impatient and won't do without things, so rather than sticking by their principles and not paying for it, they will just pay on day 1 and use the excuse that $20 isn't a lot. (it's not the amount, its the principle!) So in short. on PC, yes, people would boycott and it would end, on any console.. sadly no, kiddies have no backbone and will just pay up. |
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We don't have to do anything, Nintendo seems perfectly capable of partially boycotting it themselves. Just keep pushing it back, the less time I have to pay the better!
Play games, not companies.
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a full boycott...no. Squatch and Baha are paying regardless. Overpaying in fact.
A smaller-scale boycott...probably not too. Unfortunately, reaching out to that many people wouldn't be an easy task. I don't think the price is THAT bad and won't scare people away...I mean I'm still not going to pay it because...well I don't think they deserve it at this point. One thing that SHOULD be boycotted, however, is the cell phone app for voice chat. I mean what in the actual fuck could they possibly have been thinking. Edit: PS TC, your username made me laugh
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I thought I'd never see the day that Baha defends paid online and claims it to be good.
Nintendo fanboys...have changed...
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I mean you already have a 50% chance of nintendo boycotting themselves xD. I mean by the time the paid online starts what games will be out worth playing online? Splatoon 2 and that's about it.....Mario kart is much more fun locally xD and we probably won't even get anymore good MP games until pokemon. So they will end up messing up their own plans with lack of online games that make anyone even want to pay for the feature.
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For Nintendo, it's worth it considering the quality of their games, especially at only 20 bucks a year. For other companies though, they can fuck right off.
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Baha05 posted...
The problem though is convincing people that it's not worth it, more so if say they actually give good perks to the service That there is the problem. Nintendo fanboys are impossible to convince that a Nintendo product/service is bad.
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You're not going to get this sadly because people will want to play Splatoon, play Mario Kart online and when Pokemon comes out... well, people will want to battle... and trade (though, i hope that is not locked behind the paywall)
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ikki5 posted...
You're not going to get this sadly because people will want to play Splatoon, play Mario Kart online and when Pokemon comes out... well, people will want to battle... and trade (though, i hope that is not locked behind the paywall) Of course that will be locked behind the paywall. Pokemon is probably their most used online feature. I mean people literally trade 24/7 for YEARS. If they hadn't shut down services for older ds games you'd probably still find a VERY healthy trade center on there too xD. Even if they do mostly all ask for legendaries for a rattata xD
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Eh for just $20 it's not as bad as the competition. Think about it, it's only $20 that's less than $2 a month. This'll also be a soft wall for hackers since now they can't get online any time they please. They gotta pay the cost and risk getting banned.
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If you convinced the entire gamefaqs userbase who owns a Switch, Nintendo wouldn't even notice any loss in profit.
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Fauch posted...
QueenTakhisis posted...Fauch posted...The very reason a boycott would never work is more than apparent in this topic: fanboys.If you like it, you're a fanboy/girl. If you don't like it, you're either a hater or Sony/MS fanboy/girl. Either way, we can't win. When additional services are taken into account, then there's a rationale. Unless there currently is a free games download / streaming service on WiiU I'm unaware.
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Mr_Big_Boss posted...
Baha05 posted...The problem though is convincing people that it's not worth it, more so if say they actually give good perks to the service ...Even "My Nintendo"? :( EDIT: I never even play online so I'm by default not paying. However, if Cloud saves/free games are a thing, sorry TC, but I'll bite.
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As much as I like my Switch, I actually need convincing to pay for the online. I can pass up on Spla2n and MHXX is the only game I would really like to take online. But Capcom doesn't seem to want to release it here, so you got me on your side, TC. Together we can strip Nintendo of 40$ a year already!
You have absolutely no right to complain about a decision you decided to support with your money. Be smart and vote with your wallets!
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- is it fully possible for us as a community to somehow boycott the paid online...
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- Nintendo Switch
- is it fully possible for us as a community to somehow boycott the paid online...
Hahahahahahahaha...
That's like asking companies to stop with microtransactions and day 1 DLC.
This shit is free money for them. Free money, let that sink in. That is every capitalist businessman's wet dream - the idea of making more money without even having to give the consumer something in return. Just holding something hostage that used to be free.
Gamers allowed Microsoft to get away with this shit, which led to Sony wanting in since they're just missing out on free effortless money (millions of dollars a year...) and now finally Nintendo has clued in. There's absolutely zero chance of this going away now, it's already too late. Sad I know, but what can we do at this point? I personally don't pay for online due to principle, but that won't change anything'there's gAmes.and then thars gaM3w.it's a lovable character;it's a lovable guy. and he nolan snaked on you. so hard. the snake was in you so hard.'-ProletarianEternalWaltz posted...Hahahahahahahaha...
That's like asking companies to stop with microtransactions and day 1 DLC.
This shit is free money for them. Free money, let that sink in. That is every capitalist businessman's wet dream - the idea of making more money without even having to give the consumer something in return. Just holding something hostage that used to be free.
Gamers allowed Microsoft to get away with this shit, which led to Sony wanting in since they're just missing out on free effortless money (millions of dollars a year...) and now finally Nintendo has clued in. There's absolutely zero chance of this going away now, it's already too late. Sad I know, but what can we do at this point? I personally don't pay for online due to principle, but that won't change anything
Truth spoken here.
The time to boycott was when MS wss doing it, you know like when they tried DRM and other stuff.
The ship has sailed at this point. The best you can reasonably hope for is to end that voice chat mess (there had have to be a better solution), get additional stuff out the deal, and make it cheaper. Nintendo has done two of these, but it doesnt hurt to try.
I am on a watch and see mode, if the games they have are worth it, then i will pay.(edited 1 day ago)quotenah. some fans are too compliant. In fact, we should be "grateful" we have this beta/trial free period that Nintendo is graciously offering us."at least be grateful Nintendo isn't charging you right now." -Unknown
Lesson to be learned: Be grateful for mediocrity.Jinzo 111887 posted...PC gamers did it, so it is possible.
Yeah but instead most games are filled with lootboxes to make that money back.
The companies would find a way to get that same money.'The fact of the matter is that we've been here constantly. We've been betraying peoples expectations, in a good way, for a long time.'
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Official Kintoki-Douji and Isabeau of the SMT 4 boardsdixout4harambe posted......or at least partially (EDIT: "partially boycott", not "partially possible")? what i mean by that is, i'm totally open to pay for dedicated servers for games like splatoon and mario kart (specifically games with a lot of players and action going on, i guess). but if we have pay for private games and p2p online such as fighting games, an online mario party game with close friends or hell, even pokemon battling online, something would have to be done to prevent that from happening.
as a small, strong, dedicated fan base, i think we should have the power and vocality to at least make nintendo be reasonable with the service they'll provide us and not let their greed take them over.
if nintendo does keep p2p and private games free, i may respect them with my life, but only time will tell and nintendo hasn't said anything yet, so i probably shouldn't be judging early on, but still, i am greatly concerned.
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i got annoyed at the eu/au ps plus price hike recently and all i want to do is play ggxrd rev 2 online. i don't give a damn about the recent free aaa western games (killing floor, just cause 3, etc.) if that's the reason for the hike.
i bought ggxrd for my ps3 today to test out the online and it baffles me how the online experience is pretty much the same as the ps4 version, but free. and even worse, it's also cross-play online with ps4 as well, so there shouldn't be any reason for the ps4 version to cost money for online. i've heard that inflation may also be a possible factor for the price hike, but again, why can i play ps3 online with ps4 players for free and not the other way around? i don't want to throw extra change into the incinerator.
i know the price itself shouldn't be that big of a de same route as sony and raise their prices as time goes on for features that should've been free in the first place.
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what are your thoughts?
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I love the name btw.
Here are my thoughts, it sucks but it has to happen. If you look at what ti takes to make a game, it isn't all upfront costs anymore. Do you see the level of detail in characters, music, and environments? Who do you think has to get paid for this....high level talent. Maintaining servers and kicking out cheaters and balance patches take time and money to maintain. Most games I play are multiplayer online games, so you have to maintain that high level online system or else the game becomes obsolete. Even marketing budgets have went super high.
I don't know what job you have but you have to realize people aren't being paid a living wage or what their worth is. So many engineering firms say, we don't have STEM talent in America. FALSE. We do have STEM talent, it is just that companies pay our stem talent a garbage wage for what they went through. I remember I went to work for a BIG utility company as a programmer, they wanted to pay me like $800 a week. I was like wtf was that? Do you know who they kept and retained? People who were so desparate and poor that they had no other option...and foreigners because they can't leave.
A company literally will put out an ad saying, hey work here, but here are the requirements, 5 levels of experience but you get entry level pay. Most Americans who have experience and debt don't want to put up with that filth.
This isn't just agme this is movies too. Even bad movies don't just "look" technically bad anymore, because their film crews are talented. Yes the script might suck but the movie looks and sounds amazing.
Also, nintendo has to keep up. If Sony/MS grab top tier developers, the standard is raised, and Nintendo then looks bad compared to them 2.Please understand. I don't want the NX to fail I just assume that it will.(edited 1 day ago)quoteNo, it's not. Even if 1000 people from Gamefaqs boycotted it it wouldn't matter in the slightest. Like 2-3 million people will sign up for it.http://www.backloggery.com/tero - My backloggery
http://whatliesbeyondnovel.blogspot.ca/ - A psychological fantasy novel series, book 2 finally completeThiel1989 posted...Eh for just $20 it's not as bad as the competition. Think about it, it's only $20 that's less than $2 a month. This'll also be a soft wall for hackers since now they can't get online any time they please. They gotta pay the cost and risk getting banned.
Or just hack the android app, which I wouldn't rule out as a possibility.The Switch is not our future.arvilino posted...Jinzo 111887 posted...
I didn't see them in the games I've played.PC gamers did it, so it is possible.
Yeah but instead most games are filled with lootboxes to make that money back.
The companies would find a way to get that same money.The Switch is not our future.Dont pay it for then and if you really want to play Smash and MK online get WiiUhttp://i.imgur.com/mLhEeaZ.gifv
Death Road to Canada = 10/10Count me out - the price is low, and even if Crapcom doesn't localize Monster Hunter the Switch will still have enough online multiplayer games that will make it well worth it for me.Yeah... Sorry.It is not possible.
Once the Nintendo fanboys started buying Amiibo, Nintendo knew they could sell ANYTHING to their fanbase.
http://www.gamezone.com/news/nintendo-is-literally-selling-an-empty-nintendo-switch-box-for-about-5-3453762
What started with selling Wiimotes in halves has come to this...
Maybe we should start placing the blame on the fanbase, where it belongs.Literally if it wasn't Nintendo I would return the god damn thing and never f***ing buy another Nintendo product again.- hillietIn theory? Yes
In practice? No
$20/yr is just not a price point that will generate much resistance outside a (vocal) minority.I have no signature for the message boards(edited 23 hours ago)quoteBigbosshawk posted...EternalWaltz posted...
Hahahahahahahaha...
That's like asking companies to stop with microtransactions and day 1 DLC.
This shit is free money for them. Free money, let that sink in. That is every capitalist businessman's wet dream - the idea of making more money without even having to give the consumer something in return. Just holding something hostage that used to be free.
Gamers allowed Microsoft to get away with this shit, which led to Sony wanting in since they're just missing out on free effortless money (millions of dollars a year...) and now finally Nintendo has clued in. There's absolutely zero chance of this going away now, it's already too late. Sad I know, but what can we do at this point? I personally don't pay for online due to principle, but that won't change anything
Truth spoken here.
The time to boycott was when MS wss doing it, you know like when they tried DRM and other stuff.
The ship has sailed at this point. The best you can reasonably hope for is to end that voice chat mess (there had have to be a better solution), get additional stuff out the deal, and make it cheaper. Nintendo has done two of these, but it doesnt hurt to try.
I am on a watch and see mode, if the games they have are worth it, then i will pay.
"Tried DRM"? Xbox One and PS4 still have DRM. DRM shaped like disks that aren't even used to boot games."You got a lot to learn before you beat me.
Tryagainkiddo AAAH AH-AH-AH-AH-AH-AH-AH."Bigbosshawk posted...EternalWaltz posted...
Hahahahahahahaha...
That's like asking companies to stop with microtransactions and day 1 DLC.
This shit is free money for them. Free money, let that sink in. That is every capitalist businessman's wet dream - the idea of making more money without even having to give the consumer something in return. Just holding something hostage that used to be free.
Gamers allowed Microsoft to get away with this shit, which led to Sony wanting in since they're just missing out on free effortless money (millions of dollars a year...) and now finally Nintendo has clued in. There's absolutely zero chance of this going away now, it's already too late. Sad I know, but what can we do at this point? I personally don't pay for online due to principle, but that won't change anything
Truth spoken here.
The time to boycott was when MS wss doing it, you know like when they tried DRM and other stuff.
The ship has sailed at this point. The best you can reasonably hope for is to end that voice chat mess (there had have to be a better solution), get additional stuff out the deal, and make it cheaper. Nintendo has done two of these, but it doesnt hurt to try.
I am on a watch and see mode, if the games they have are worth it, then i will pay.
exactly this.
people had the chance and blew it. it comes to show how weak-minded the human usually is.Nah. I'm fully OK with $20/year if we get something extra, like deals on the eshop or NES games in addition to being able to play online.Currently playing: Persona 5 (PS4), Splatoon 2 (Switch), and Layton's Mystery Journey: Katrielle and the Millionaires' Conspiracy (Android)(edited 20 hours ago)quoteuntil PS4 lets me play for free like on PS3 i will be happy paying one thirdfor a whole year to Nintendo, after all PS4 does not have splatoon2. and if im gonna pay to play DQX online i prefer to pay 20 usd a year than 60Demon EYES Kyo
Kyoshiro Mibu(edited 19 hours ago)quoteLm03 posted...Bigbosshawk posted...
EternalWaltz posted...
Hahahahahahahaha...
That's like asking companies to stop with microtransactions and day 1 DLC.
This shit is free money for them. Free money, let that sink in. That is every capitalist businessman's wet dream - the idea of making more money without even having to give the consumer something in return. Just holding something hostage that used to be free.
Gamers allowed Microsoft to get away with this shit, which led to Sony wanting in since they're just missing out on free effortless money (millions of dollars a year...) and now finally Nintendo has clued in. There's absolutely zero chance of this going away now, it's already too late. Sad I know, but what can we do at this point? I personally don't pay for online due to principle, but that won't change anything
Truth spoken here.
The time to boycott was when MS wss doing it, you know like when they tried DRM and other stuff.
The ship has sailed at this point. The best you can reasonably hope for is to end that voice chat mess (there had have to be a better solution), get additional stuff out the deal, and make it cheaper. Nintendo has done two of these, but it doesnt hurt to try.
I am on a watch and see mode, if the games they have are worth it, then i will pay.
exactly this.
people had the chance and blew it. it comes to show how weak-minded the human usually is.
I'm sorry, you don't really believe this, do you? This is just overblown rhetoric, right?
Free money? In what universe? Do you honestly think high speed, high bandwidth server farms cost nothing to set up and maintain?
We can argue about what the service is worth to the consumer, and whether game companies should be pricing this support into their products, but to pretend that this service comes without a significant cost to the companies just makes you seem unserious.I have no signature for the message boardswhat servers?"at least be grateful Nintendo isn't charging you right now." -Unknown
Lesson to be learned: Be grateful for mediocrity.DaeboVidra posted...but to pretend that this service comes without a significant cost to the companies just makes you seem unserious.
Who cares what the cost is when instead of stomaching it, you can just make the customers pay instead.You have absolutely no right to complain about a decision you decided to support with your money. Be smart and vote with your wallets!IrateGameFAQer posted...what servers?
Oy...
I'm done here, I give up.
smhI have no signature for the message boards(edited 19 hours ago)quotedidn't know p2p was considered servers now."at least be grateful Nintendo isn't charging you right now." -Unknown
Lesson to be learned: Be grateful for mediocrity.Darth_Kamcio posted...DaeboVidra posted...
but to pretend that this service comes without a significant cost to the companies just makes you seem unserious.
Who cares what the cost is when instead of stomaching it, you can just make the customers pay instead.
Ummm...
Is this a joke?
What do companies do? For-profit companies?
They sell things! That means getting customers to pay, instead of stomaching the cost.
Last post, seriously, this just isn't worth it.I have no signature for the message boards(edited 19 hours ago)quoteDaeboVidra posted...Darth_Kamcio posted...
DaeboVidra posted...
but to pretend that this service comes without a significant cost to the companies just makes you seem unserious.
Who cares what the cost is when instead of stomaching it, you can just make the customers pay instead.
Ummm...
Is this a joke?
What do companies do? For-profit companies?
They sell things! That means getting customers to pay, instead of stomaching the cost.
Last post, seriously, this just isn't worth it.
I'm on your side...You have absolutely no right to complain about a decision you decided to support with your money. Be smart and vote with your wallets!Darth_Kamcio posted...DaeboVidra posted...
Darth_Kamcio posted...
DaeboVidra posted...
but to pretend that this service comes without a significant cost to the companies just makes you seem unserious.
Who cares what the cost is when instead of stomaching it, you can just make the customers pay instead.
Ummm...
Is this a joke?
What do companies do? For-profit companies?
They sell things! That means getting customers to pay, instead of stomaching the cost.
Last post, seriously, this just isn't worth it.
I'm on your side...
Ok, hard to tell on these boards sometimes.
Sorry I misinterpreted your post, I've considered you one of the more level-headed posters here, so I was surprised.I have no signature for the message boards(edited 19 hours ago)quoteThe logic behind some of your brains are confusing. So because you see no benefit in a paid online service you want to convince others it may not be good for them.
When In fact it may be best for them?
lol. Game facts.Brooklyn, NYC ..PSN/XBL: MilesAC87DaeboVidra posted...Do you honestly think high speed, high bandwidth server farms cost nothing to set up and maintain?
you're assuming there are servers to begin with.
its all still P2P. its obvious at this point.@DaeboVidra posted...Ok, hard to tell on these boards sometimes.
Sorry I misinterpreted your post, I've considered you one of the more level-headed posters here, so I was surprised.
No biggie, I should have conveyed my thoughts more clearly. I meant that while some may argue what the actual cost is, it doesn't mean too much as all that matters is how much of it Nintendo wants the customers to bear.You have absolutely no right to complain about a decision you decided to support with your money. Be smart and vote with your wallets!Lm03 posted...DaeboVidra posted...
Do you honestly think high speed, high bandwidth server farms cost nothing to set up and maintain?
you're assuming there are servers to begin with.
its all still P2P. its obvious at this point.
well DQX online hs servers still active on the PC/WII U/3DS, are they going to make the switch DQX online P2P with 20+ person raids? i mean you say that every nintendo system is P2P ONLY right?Demon EYES Kyo
Kyoshiro Mibu(edited 19 hours ago)quoteLm03 posted...DaeboVidra posted...
Do you honestly think high speed, high bandwidth server farms cost nothing to set up and maintain?
you're assuming there are servers to begin with.
its all still P2P. its obvious at this point.
that's the funny part of it all whenever that "argument" is brought up."at least be grateful Nintendo isn't charging you right now." -Unknown
Lesson to be learned: Be grateful for mediocrity.I won't boycott paid online, it's very reasonably priced. Also Nintendo has vastly improved their online service already... remember how unplayable online Smash was on the Wii?NintendoLover25 posted...I will never stand against Nintendo, I will be paying the money as soon as they ask for it.
same as i do with PS plus which cost 3 times what nintendo will charge? right on, i approve.Demon EYES Kyo
Kyoshiro MibuLm03 posted...DaeboVidra posted...
Do you honestly think high speed, high bandwidth server farms cost nothing to set up and maintain?
you're assuming there are servers to begin with.
its all still P2P. its obvious at this point.
You're assuming servers only host games. There's an entire infrastructure that enables your "P2P'' unless you're playing ad-hoc wireless.
First big hint is that you have to log in to the online service you're complaining about.I have no signature for the message boards(edited 19 hours ago)quoteNintendoLover25 posted...I will never stand against Nintendo, I will be paying the money as soon as they ask for it.
They always ask for money via games and add-ons and junk. There is no end to greed. You should buy multiple copies of them until your are broke, then. -.-(edited 19 hours ago)quote_JuicytigeR_ posted...NintendoLover25 posted...
I will never stand against Nintendo, I will be paying the money as soon as they ask for it.
They always ask for money via games and add-ons and junk. There is no end to greed. You should buy multiple copies of them until your are broke, then. -.-
huh? sony does not do that? what about steam or microsoft?Demon EYES Kyo
Kyoshiro MibuDarth_Kamcio posted...DaeboVidra posted...
Darth_Kamcio posted...
DaeboVidra posted...
but to pretend that this service comes without a significant cost to the companies just makes you seem unserious.
Who cares what the cost is when instead of stomaching it, you can just make the customers pay instead.
Ummm...
Is this a joke?
What do companies do? For-profit companies?
They sell things! That means getting customers to pay, instead of stomaching the cost.
Last post, seriously, this just isn't worth it.
I'm on your side...
lmaoKyoshiro12345 posted..._JuicytigeR_ posted...
NintendoLover25 posted...
I will never stand against Nintendo, I will be paying the money as soon as they ask for it.
They always ask for money via games and add-ons and junk. There is no end to greed. You should buy multiple copies of them until your are broke, then. -.-
huh? sony does not do that? what about steam or microsoft?
What does this have to do with them?_JuicytigeR_ posted...Kyoshiro12345 posted...
_JuicytigeR_ posted...
NintendoLover25 posted...
I will never stand against Nintendo, I will be paying the money as soon as they ask for it.
They always ask for money via games and add-ons and junk. There is no end to greed. You should buy multiple copies of them until your are broke, then. -.-
huh? sony does not do that? what about steam or microsoft?
What does this have to do with them?
so is ok when others do it but Ninendo is evil?Demon EYES Kyo
Kyoshiro MibuKyoshiro12345 posted..._JuicytigeR_ posted...
Kyoshiro12345 posted...
_JuicytigeR_ posted...
NintendoLover25 posted...
I will never stand against Nintendo, I will be paying the money as soon as they ask for it.
They always ask for money via games and add-ons and junk. There is no end to greed. You should buy multiple copies of them until your are broke, then. -.-
huh? sony does not do that? what about steam or microsoft?
What does this have to do with them?
so is ok when others do it but Ninendo is evil?
You still didn't tell me what this even had to do with them since you're the one that suddenly brought them up, but alright then.
lol_JuicytigeR_ posted...You still didn't tell me what this even had to do with them since you're the one that suddenly brought them up, but alright then.
lol
_JuicytigeR_ posted...They always ask for money via games and add-ons and junk
Demon EYES Kyo
Kyoshiro MibuKyoshiro12345 posted..._JuicytigeR_ posted...
You still didn't tell me what this even had to do with them since you're the one that suddenly brought them up, but alright then.
lol
_JuicytigeR_ posted...They always ask for money via games and add-ons and junk
Oh nice. You've re-posted what I said before for reasons unknown. Now look in there for a bit. Did I say anything about Sony or any other company? I don't think so.Kyoshiro12345 posted...well DQX online hs servers still active on the PC/WII U/3DS, are they going to make the switch DQX online P2P with 20+ person raids? i mean you say that every nintendo system is P2P ONLY right?
Considering those servers are on PC too, it's very likely the developer is paying for them, Nintendo isn't doing anything significant enough to justify it.
DaeboVidra posted...You're assuming servers only host games. There's an entire infrastructure that enables your 'P2P'' unless you're playing ad-hoc wireless.
That's not exactly significant enough. You need to be signed into GOG through the Galaxy client to play games you bought from them online, but there's no premium membership for online multiplayer through them. Same with many third party games that require PS+ or XBLG on PS4 and the Xboxes that are on Steam.
First big hint is that you have to log in to the online service you're complaining about.The Switch is not our future._JuicytigeR_ posted...Kyoshiro12345 posted...
_JuicytigeR_ posted...
You still didn't tell me what this even had to do with them since you're the one that suddenly brought them up, but alright then.
lol
_JuicytigeR_ posted...They always ask for money via games and add-ons and junk
Oh nice. You've re-posted what I said before for reasons unknown. Now look in there for a bit. Did I say anything about Sony or any other company? I don't think so.
so you agree that all 3 and steam do the same but you choose to call out Nintendo because internal bias? good that we got that straight and we are in the same page.Demon EYES Kyo
Kyoshiro MibuJinzo 111887 posted...Kyoshiro12345 posted...
well DQX online hs servers still active on the PC/WII U/3DS, are they going to make the switch DQX online P2P with 20+ person raids? i mean you say that every nintendo system is P2P ONLY right?
Considering those servers are on PC too, it's very likely the developer is paying for them, Nintendo isn't doing anything significant enough to justify it.
so same as PSplus? gotcha.Demon EYES Kyo
Kyoshiro MibuKyoshiro12345 posted..._JuicytigeR_ posted...
Kyoshiro12345 posted...
_JuicytigeR_ posted...
You still didn't tell me what this even had to do with them since you're the one that suddenly brought them up, but alright then.
lol
_JuicytigeR_ posted...They always ask for money via games and add-ons and junk
Oh nice. You've re-posted what I said before for reasons unknown. Now look in there for a bit. Did I say anything about Sony or any other company? I don't think so.
so you agree that all 3 and steam do the same but you choose to call out Nintendo because internal bias? good that we got that straight and we are in the same page.
Um.... No shit they all do the same.... Clearly we were only talking about Nintendo yet you suddenly brought up other companies for no reason (I guess to feel smart or accomplished with something. Idk why). What a waste of time.(edited 18 hours ago)quote- Boards
- Nintendo Switch
- is it fully possible for us as a community to somehow boycott the paid online...
- Boards
- Nintendo Switch
- is it fully possible for us as a community to somehow boycott the paid online...
_JuicytigeR_ posted...Kyoshiro12345 posted...
_JuicytigeR_ posted...
Kyoshiro12345 posted...
_JuicytigeR_ posted...
You still didn't tell me what this even had to do with them since you're the one that suddenly brought them up, but alright then.
lol
_JuicytigeR_ posted...They always ask for money via games and add-ons and junk
Oh nice. You've re-posted what I said before for reasons unknown. Now look in there for a bit. Did I say anything about Sony or any other company? I don't think so.
so you agree that all 3 and steam do the same but you choose to call out Nintendo because internal bias? good that we got that straight and we are in the same page.
Um.... No shit they all do the same.... Clearly we were only talking about Nintendo yet you suddenly brought up other companies for no reason (I guess to feel smart or accomplished with something. Idk why). What a waste of time.
xDKyoshiro12345 posted...Jinzo 111887 posted...
Indeed, none of them are doing anything significant to actually make online multiplayer possible as it is the developers doing it, which would mean it's being paid for by software sales.Kyoshiro12345 posted...
well DQX online hs servers still active on the PC/WII U/3DS, are they going to make the switch DQX online P2P with 20+ person raids? i mean you say that every nintendo system is P2P ONLY right?
Considering those servers are on PC too, it's very likely the developer is paying for them, Nintendo isn't doing anything significant enough to justify it.
so same as PSplus? gotcha.The Switch is not our future.Jinzo 111887 posted...ndeed, none of them are doing anything significant to actually make online multiplayer possible as it is the developers doing it, which would mean it's being paid for by software sales.
lol only reason he brought that up cause he thinks you're shitting on nintendo exclusively.
he's so protective over them for no fucking reason.
he probably thought you paid for the other services and are singling out nintendo..because he's an obvious fanboy."at least be grateful Nintendo isn't charging you right now." -Unknown
Lesson to be learned: Be grateful for mediocrity.Jinzo 111887 posted...DaeboVidra posted...
You're assuming servers only host games. There's an entire infrastructure that enables your 'P2P'' unless you're playing ad-hoc wireless.
That's not exactly significant enough. You need to be signed into GOG through the Galaxy client to play games you bought from them online, but there's no premium membership for online multiplayer through them. Same with many third party games that require PS+ or XBLG on PS4 and the Xboxes that are on Steam.
First big hint is that you have to log in to the online service you're complaining about.
I'm not sure what you're arguing, here. The fact that a particular vendor chooses to absorb the costs of their online infrastructure just indicates that they've priced that cost in elsewhere. That's what Nintendo has done for years, but they've apparently made the decision to at least partially defray those costs by charging for the service going forward.
I understand that people are upset about paying for something that was free (or had its cost hidden) before, but this is the route the other major console manufacturers have already taken, and Nintendo is still priced well below their services.I have no signature for the message boardsDoNotTalktoMe posted..._JuicytigeR_ posted...
Kyoshiro12345 posted...
_JuicytigeR_ posted...
Kyoshiro12345 posted...
_JuicytigeR_ posted...
You still didn't tell me what this even had to do with them since you're the one that suddenly brought them up, but alright then.
lol
_JuicytigeR_ posted...They always ask for money via games and add-ons and junk
Oh nice. You've re-posted what I said before for reasons unknown. Now look in there for a bit. Did I say anything about Sony or any other company? I don't think so.
so you agree that all 3 and steam do the same but you choose to call out Nintendo because internal bias? good that we got that straight and we are in the same page.
Um.... No shit they all do the same.... Clearly we were only talking about Nintendo yet you suddenly brought up other companies for no reason (I guess to feel smart or accomplished with something. Idk why). What a waste of time.
xD
Kyoshiro12345 kind of has issues...IrateGameFAQer posted...Jinzo 111887 posted...
ndeed, none of them are doing anything significant to actually make online multiplayer possible as it is the developers doing it, which would mean it's being paid for by software sales.
lol only reason he brought that up cause he thinks you're shitting on nintendo exclusively.
he's so protective over them for no fucking reason.
he probably thought you paid for the other services and are singling out nintendo..because he's an obvious fanboy.
i own a ps4pro than you very much.Demon EYES Kyo
Kyoshiro MibuKyoshiro12345 posted...i own a ps4pro than you very much.
no you cant, you can only own one system and if you say anything bad about other systems you are the nintendo devil or a fanboy or something.PSN: AkiradevirumanDaeboVidra posted...I'm not sure what you're arguing, here. The fact that a particular vendor chooses to absorb the costs of their online infrastructure just indicates that they've priced that cost in elsewhere. That's what Nintendo has done for years, but they've apparently made the decision to at least partially defray those costs by charging for the service going forward.
Are they offering something that makes online possible? Is it absolutely needed? Is Steam/GOG providing (a counterpart of it) it for free? Are third party developers providing (a counterpart of it for free) it for free? The only thing I can think of that would be significant enough would be if is if they're providing broadband in general to users, in which case they should ditch the online paywall and give other broadband ISPs some competition.
I understand that people are upset about paying for something that was free (or had its cost hidden) before, but this is the route the other major console manufacturers have already taken, and Nintendo is still priced well below their services.
Just because the other console makers do it doesn't automatically make it a good move. A number of digital retailers have regional pricing. Why not look into what happened when GOG tried to implement it?
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-03-17-gog-ditches-regional-pricing-plan-apologisesThe Switch is not our future.Jinzo 111887 posted...DaeboVidra posted...
I'm not sure what you're arguing, here. The fact that a particular vendor chooses to absorb the costs of their online infrastructure just indicates that they've priced that cost in elsewhere. That's what Nintendo has done for years, but they've apparently made the decision to at least partially defray those costs by charging for the service going forward.
Are they offering something that makes online possible? Is it absolutely needed? Is Steam/GOG providing (a counterpart of it) it for free? Are third party developers providing (a counterpart of it for free) it for free? The only thing I can think of that would be significant enough would be if is if they're providing broadband in general to users, in which case they should ditch the online paywall and give other broadband ISPs some competition.
I understand that people are upset about paying for something that was free (or had its cost hidden) before, but this is the route the other major console manufacturers have already taken, and Nintendo is still priced well below their services.
Just because the other console makers do it doesn't automatically make it a good move. A number of digital retailers have regional pricing. Why not look into what happened when GOG tried to implement it?
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-03-17-gog-ditches-regional-pricing-plan-apologises
lmao, really now we go and say PC is better when you ypurself are always defening the other console?PSN: AkiradevirumanIt would work if everyone commited. Not everyone going to commit though.PSN: captsplatter
Switch FC: SW-3078-9578-8685captsplatter_1 posted...It would work if everyone commited. Not everyone going to commit though.
i will commit right after PSN fixes their plus and go back to use the PS3 online system, not a day before, deal?PSN: Akiradeviruman(edited 18 hours ago)quotedunnyrega posted...lmao, really now we go and say PC is better when you ypurself are always defening the other console?
First off, regional pricing is a common practice among all systems, not just PC. Second, my point was just because the competition does something stupid doesn't mean your company should, too. If it did, every system should have had the same plans Microsoft originally had for the Xbox One. According to some people on here, it's not it could have been stopped if all console makers did it, right?The Switch is not our future.(edited 18 hours ago)quotedunnyrega posted...captsplatter_1 posted...
It would work if everyone commited. Not everyone going to commit though.
i will commit right after PSN fixes their plus and go back to use the PS3 online system, not a day before, deal?
deal!Jinzo 111887 posted...dunnyrega posted...
lmao, really now we go and say PC is better when you ypurself are always defening the other console?
First off, regional pricing is a common practice among all systems, not just PC. Second, my point was just because the competition does something stupid doesn't mean your company should, too. If it did, every system should have had the same plans Microsoft originally had for the Xbox One. According to some people on here, it's not it could have been stopped if all console makers did it, right?
well PS4 owner here, the only system manufacturer i have a beef with is Xbox because i can just play the games on my PC windows 10, so whatever but you def can not compare PC steam with console dont care what excuses you come up with.PSN: AkiradevirumanI have no issue for paying for online capabilities. I pay $25/3 months for PSN+. That's pretty cheap.Gather all the young ones and listen as we tell of the days of old, when the earth was whole, before the hammer fell. - "Hammer of Heaven", The SwordJinzo 111887 posted...DaeboVidra posted...
I'm not sure what you're arguing, here. The fact that a particular vendor chooses to absorb the costs of their online infrastructure just indicates that they've priced that cost in elsewhere. That's what Nintendo has done for years, but they've apparently made the decision to at least partially defray those costs by charging for the service going forward.
Are they offering something that makes online possible? Is it absolutely needed? Is Steam/GOG providing (a counterpart of it) it for free? Are third party developers providing (a counterpart of it for free) it for free? The only thing I can think of that would be significant enough would be if is if they're providing broadband in general to users, in which case they should ditch the online paywall and give other broadband ISPs some competition.
I understand that people are upset about paying for something that was free (or had its cost hidden) before, but this is the route the other major console manufacturers have already taken, and Nintendo is still priced well below their services.
Just because the other console makers do it doesn't automatically make it a good move. A number of digital retailers have regional pricing. Why not look into what happened when GOG tried to implement it?
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-03-17-gog-ditches-regional-pricing-plan-apologises
I obviously don't know all the specifics of what the console manufacturers provide to enable online gaming on their platforms, but at a minimum, it should be safe to assume that they are providing login/authentication, available player search, and matchmaking to establish a P2P connection, before handing off the completed connection between the players. Depending on the number of games they're supporting, that can be a significant load, and, of course, the whole infrastructure has to be oversized and redundant to account for usage spikes during peak periods, and to prevent hardware failures taking the service down.
As to whether it's a better move to charge directly for the service, or to bury those costs in the overall product pricing, that's a business decision for the companies involved, but one way or the other those costs have to be covered.I have no signature for the message boards(edited 17 hours ago)quotedunnyrega posted...well PS4 owner here, the only system manufacturer i have a beef with is Xbox because i can just play the games on my PC windows 10, so whatever but you def can not compare PC steam with console dont care what excuses you come up with.
You just compared a console with a PC right there. Besides, many third party games are just about the same on PC as they are on console minus the stupid console paywall scams.The Switch is not our future.captsplatter_1 posted...It would work if everyone commited. Not everyone going to commit though.
Not need to commit to anything. Paid online is perfectly fine.slyman19 posted...captsplatter_1 posted...
Is threatening to blow the whistle on your boss if you don't get a bonus by the end of the day perfectly fine, too?It would work if everyone commited. Not everyone going to commit though.
Not need to commit to anything. Paid online is perfectly fine.The Switch is not our future.slyman19 posted...captsplatter_1 posted...
It would work if everyone commited. Not everyone going to commit though.
Not need to commit to anything. Paid online is perfectly fine.
Even when the quality has no improvement from when it was free?| PSN - JSampG / NNID - Sampsonj | Toadette of the MK8 Deluxe board
"27,146 sales is a decrease from 26,114 sales (Paraphrase)" - Linetrixikki5 posted...slyman19 posted...
My guess is some people believe placebos are actually panaceas. The PS+ requirement for online multiplayer won't stop someone from being a jerk online. In theory all they have to do is create an alternate account for all their purchases and keep their PS+ account clean.captsplatter_1 posted...
It would work if everyone commited. Not everyone going to commit though.
Not need to commit to anything. Paid online is perfectly fine.
Even when the quality has no improvement from when it was free?The Switch is not our future.I don't mind paying for online, but I'm not sure Nintendo can really do online. I mean, look at that app nonsense and the dongle attachment so you can hear game and voice chat. Who would want to pay for this service in the first place? At least with live and psn their services actually work in a reasonable fashion.gt/psn: queenofheartz78(edited 17 hours ago)quoteJinzo 111887 posted...ikki5 posted...
slyman19 posted...
My guess is some people believe placebos are actually panaceas. The PS+ requirement for online multiplayer won't stop someone from being a jerk online. In theory all they have to do is create an alternate account for all their purchases and keep their PS+ account clean.captsplatter_1 posted...
It would work if everyone commited. Not everyone going to commit though.
Not need to commit to anything. Paid online is perfectly fine.
Even when the quality has no improvement from when it was free?
Ok... not sure how your post has anything to do with my point| PSN - JSampG / NNID - Sampsonj | Toadette of the MK8 Deluxe board
"27,146 sales is a decrease from 26,114 sales (Paraphrase)" - Linetrixikki5 posted...slyman19 posted...
captsplatter_1 posted...
It would work if everyone commited. Not everyone going to commit though.
Not need to commit to anything. Paid online is perfectly fine.
Even when the quality has no improvement from when it was free?
exactly, PS3 online is still tons better than PS4, i never sold my ps3, and guess which one is paid?PSN: Akiradevirumanikki5 posted...Ok... not sure how your post has anything to do with my point
My point is you are right. The only thing these paywalls do is just give these console makers nothing more than a quick paycheck without earning it. It doesn't stop trouble makers (what I mentioned in my last post is one way they could do it, but the Destiny share play incident is another example of a paywall failing to stop a trouble maker), keep game servers online (LBP3 servers in Japan are now offline), improve the quality of online (Drive Club's online should have been running perfectly when it launched), or anything like that.The Switch is not our future.Jinzo 111887 posted...slyman19 posted...
captsplatter_1 posted...
Is threatening to blow the whistle on your boss if you don't get a bonus by the end of the day perfectly fine, too?It would work if everyone commited. Not everyone going to commit though.
Not need to commit to anything. Paid online is perfectly fine.
That's the dumbest thing you've said yet. You are never entitled to a bonus.slyman19 posted...Jinzo 111887 posted...
Yes, I know it seems dumb, but I agree with you on that bit about not being entitled to a bonus. Somehow, these console makers got it in their minds that they're entitled to a bonus if you want online multiplayer, though.slyman19 posted...
captsplatter_1 posted...
Is threatening to blow the whistle on your boss if you don't get a bonus by the end of the day perfectly fine, too?It would work if everyone commited. Not everyone going to commit though.
Not need to commit to anything. Paid online is perfectly fine.
That's the dumbest thing you've said yet. You are never entitled to a bonus.The Switch is not our future.Jinzo 111887 posted...slyman19 posted...
Jinzo 111887 posted...
Yes, I know it seems dumb, but I agree with you on that bit about not being entitled to a bonus. Somehow, these console makers got it in their minds that they're entitled to a bonus if you want online multiplayer, though.slyman19 posted...
captsplatter_1 posted...
Is threatening to blow the whistle on your boss if you don't get a bonus by the end of the day perfectly fine, too?It would work if everyone commited. Not everyone going to commit though.
Not need to commit to anything. Paid online is perfectly fine.
That's the dumbest thing you've said yet. You are never entitled to a bonus.
Or certain gamers are stupid and think they are entitled to free online. (Hint: they're not.)slyman19 posted...Or certain gamers are stupid and think they are entitled to free online. (Hint: they're not.)
That's pretty hypocritical of you to say that. If an employee isn't entitled to a bonus for blackmailing their employers, than a company isn't entitled to a bonus for blackmailing their customers/clients. It's covered in the cost of the game, which is why there is no PC premium membership. This is also why I say "gamer entitlement is a sign the policy can't be justified" as they did pay for it.The Switch is not our future.Jinzo 111887 posted...slyman19 posted...
Or certain gamers are stupid and think they are entitled to free online. (Hint: they're not.)
That's pretty hypocritical of you to say that. If an employee isn't entitled to a bonus for blackmailing their employers, than a company isn't entitled to a bonus for blackmailing their customers/clients. It's covered in the cost of the game, which is why there is no PC premium membership. This is also why I say "gamer entitlement is a sign the policy can't be justified" as they did pay for it.
You don't know what blackmail is, do you?
You're attempts at comparing paid online to a work bonus is embarrassing and illogical.slyman19 posted...You don't know what blackmail is, do you?
Yes, I just gave an example of employee doing it to their employer. It is actually on par with what these console makers are doing.
You're attempts at comparing paid online to a work bonus is embarrassing and illogical.
Okay, then tell me this. What are these console makers doing that is so vital that online multiplayer is impossible without it and Steam/GOG and third party developers aren't offering a free counterpart for on PC?The Switch is not our future.I'll have to wait and see what exactly the "free" game situation is before judging paid online. I don't play much online, yet I still pay for both XBox and Playstation because the games they offer each month add up to enough value to be worth what I pay each year. If Nintendo is the same, I'll gladly pay for online, and with a lower price they don't even need to hit the same level of value as the other 2.
Now if the "free" game program for Nintendo ends up being lousy, I likely won't pay, but that's again why I need to wait and see.Jinzo 111887 posted...slyman19 posted...
You don't know what blackmail is, do you?
Yes, I just gave an example of employee doing it to their employer. It is actually on par with what these console makers are doing.
You're attempts at comparing paid online to a work bonus is embarrassing and illogical.
Okay, then tell me this. What are these console makers doing that is so vital that online multiplayer is impossible without it and Steam/GOG and third party developers aren't offering a free counterpart for on PC?
They could offer free online, but it'd be shitty like PC online.
You are never entitled to free online. Companies are entitled to charge for online since they own the service.slyman19 posted...They could offer free online, but it'd be shitty like PC online.
And you assume paying for it makes it better? Don't kid yourself. You still have jerks (Destiny share play incident), unscheduled down time (remember when Lizard Squad hit PSN with a DDOS attack?), games that aren't fit to play online at launch (Drive Club launch), games that aren't kept online (LBP3 in Japan and every original Xbox game with online multiplayer).
You are never entitled to free online. Companies are entitled to charge for online since they own the service.
It's the developers covering the online portion, so as long as I am not pirating the game, I am entitled to online multiplayer as I paid for it.The Switch is not our future.Jinzo 111887 posted...slyman19 posted...
They could offer free online, but it'd be shitty like PC online.
And you assume paying for it makes it better? Don't kid yourself. You still have jerks (Destiny share play incident), unscheduled down time (remember when Lizard Squad hit PSN with a DDOS attack?), games that aren't fit to play online at launch (Drive Club launch), games that aren't kept online (LBP3 in Japan and every original Xbox game with online multiplayer).
You are never entitled to free online. Companies are entitled to charge for online since they own the service.
It's the developers covering the online portion, so as long as I am not pirating the game, I am entitled to online multiplayer as I paid for it.
No, you are not entitled to online ever unless you paid for it (via subscription) or it was advertised as free.(edited 16 hours ago)quoteslyman19 posted...No, you are not entitled to online ever unless you paid for it (via subscription) or it was advertised as free.
My ISP bill is my subscription, then. These console makers aren't doing anything significant in making online multiplayer possible that Steam, GOG, or third party developers are already offering without a paywall, so they're not entitled to that bonus they think they are.The Switch is not our future.Jinzo 111887 posted...slyman19 posted...
No, you are not entitled to online ever unless you paid for it (via subscription) or it was advertised as free.
My ISP bill is my subscription, then. These console makers aren't doing anything significant in making online multiplayer possible that Steam, GOG, or third party developers are already offering without a paywall, so they're not entitled to that bonus they think they are.
You do not get to choose what your subscription is. Sorry that real life is a bitch.
They are absolutely entitled to charge for it, but are not entitled for people sign up for it.slyman19 posted...You do not get to choose what your subscription is. Sorry that real life is a bitch.
And that's why I'm not counting those numbers.
They are absolutely entitled to charge for it, but are not entitled for people sign up for it.
Again, it's like that example of an employee blackmailing their employer for a bonus because they think they're entitled to it. I have to wonder what these companies would do to someone like that. Odds are they'd fire that person, but anything besides giving them that bonus would be hypocritical.The Switch is not our future.Jinzo 111887 posted...slyman19 posted...
You do not get to choose what your subscription is. Sorry that real life is a bitch.
And that's why I'm not counting those numbers.
They are absolutely entitled to charge for it, but are not entitled for people sign up for it.
Again, it's like that example of an employee blackmailing their employer for a bonus because they think they're entitled to it. I have to wonder what these companies would do to someone like that. Odds are they'd fire that person, but anything besides giving them that bonus would be hypocritical.
Alright, I've spent enough time listening to your illogical comparisons and double standards. Go fuck off to my ignore list.Jinzo 111887 posted...slyman19 posted...
No, you are not entitled to online ever unless you paid for it (via subscription) or it was advertised as free.
My ISP bill is my subscription, then. These console makers aren't doing anything significant in making online multiplayer possible that Steam, GOG, or third party developers are already offering without a paywall, so they're not entitled to that bonus they think they are.
This^^
If only more console users would understand things like this, gaming would be better for all as they'd not get away with it.
I'll never pay for PS+ or Nintendo subscription. It's 'idiot tax' on the intellectually challenged.Lowest lifeform ever isn't tax collectors, it's Gamefaq mods.(edited 15 hours ago)quotePS4always posted...Jinzo 111887 posted...
slyman19 posted...
No, you are not entitled to online ever unless you paid for it (via subscription) or it was advertised as free.
My ISP bill is my subscription, then. These console makers aren't doing anything significant in making online multiplayer possible that Steam, GOG, or third party developers are already offering without a paywall, so they're not entitled to that bonus they think they are.
This^^
If only more console kiddies would understand things like this, gaming would be better for all as they'd not get away with it.
Understand what? A make believe version of reality? Are all anti-paid online people this ridiculous?slyman19 posted...
No, you are not entitled to online ever unless you paid for it (via subscription) or it was advertised as free.
You must be anti net neutrality, then correct?Weed is legal in California.Sofa_King_Hi posted...slyman19 posted...
No, you are not entitled to online ever unless you paid for it (via subscription) or it was advertised as free.
You must be anti net neutrality, then correct?
I'm just not a whiny entitled child who thinks everything should be given freely.Interesting how you pivot when given a situation that mirrors your point but may be detrimental to you.Weed is legal in California.Sofa_King_Hi posted...Interesting how you pivot when given a situation that mirrors your point but may be detrimental to you.
You're comparing apples to oranges.
I am against NN, but probably not for for the reasons you think.PS4always posted...If only more console users would understand things like this, gaming would be better for all as they'd not get away with it.
It's why I moved to PC gaming. I realized the quality of your connection isn't made better based on paying a subscription fee for online after I was forced to change ISPs and notice and a difference in my connection's speed. By the way, I noticed your username. If you get into PC gaming, try this with Steam: Click the controller icon at the top of the screen to enter Big Picture Mode, then click the gear at the top when you see it, then click controller settings. If you have a PS4 controller lying around, you'll be in for a nice surprise.
I'll never pay for PS+ or Nintendo subscription. It's 'idiot tax' on the intellectually challenged.
slyman19 posted...I'm just not a whiny entitled child who thinks everything should be given freely.
The people you're thinking of are pirates, not people who have already bought the game they want to play online without the online paywall. Technically, someone who already paid for the game did pay for online. A pirate didn't.The Switch is not our future.They aren't apples to oranges. You just chose to view it that way because you intrinsically believe that console online is an entitlement issue.
The same argument is made by the corporations in regards to net neutrality.Weed is legal in California.Sofa_King_Hi posted...They aren't apples to oranges. You just chose to view it that way because you intrinsically believe that console online is an entitlement issue.
The same argument is made by the corporations in regards to net neutrality.
It is an entitlement issue. How foolish do you have to be to believe it's not? Free online is not a right.slyman19 posted...Sofa_King_Hi posted...
But online multiplayer is already paid for when you purchase the game. Why else do you think the developers of Rocket League were worried about servers for the game, giving away through PS+, and the possibility of releasing on PS4 only? It's because they're the ones making online multiplayer possible. Playing the entitlement argument like that doesn't work as it is already paid for.They aren't apples to oranges. You just chose to view it that way because you intrinsically believe that console online is an entitlement issue.
The same argument is made by the corporations in regards to net neutrality.
It is an entitlement issue. How foolish do you have to be to believe it's not? Free online is not a right.The Switch is not our future.(edited 15 hours ago)quoteJinzo 111887 posted...PS4always posted...
If only more console users would understand things like this, gaming would be better for all as they'd not get away with it.
It's why I moved to PC gaming. I realized the quality of your connection isn't made better based on paying a subscription fee for online after I was forced to change ISPs and notice and a difference in my connection's speed. By the way, I noticed your username. If you get into PC gaming, try this with Steam: Click the controller icon at the top of the screen to enter Big Picture Mode, then click the gear at the top when you see it, then click controller settings. If you have a PS4 controller lying around, you'll be in for a nice surprise.
I'll never pay for PS+ or Nintendo subscription. It's 'idiot tax' on the intellectually challenged.
I guess the question then is, why are you here?
You have a platform you say you are happy with, and that you feel treats you fairly, why hang out proselytizing on the console boards? Why do you consider this your crusade?
If Valve or one of the other PC software distribution sites decides to start charging a subscription fee for online, it won't be because the battle was lost on the home consoles, it'll be because they decided their free online model was no longer profitable..I have no signature for the message boards(edited 14 hours ago)quote- Boards
- Nintendo Switch
- is it fully possible for us as a community to somehow boycott the paid online...
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