BowserNeo posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
BowserNeo posted...
Try telling THAT to the 64 and Sunshine fanboys.
That's only Dumdumwantsgum, who I have on ignore.
You guys really aren't making a better case for yourselves by spouting the same shit he does.
Except it's not the same shit. I never side 64 or Sunshine were bad, just that they don't play like Mario games. They are as much of a Mario game in gameplay as the sports games. They don't play like the 7 games before 64 that established a clear formula. They are very much spin offs of the original games. Good spin offs, I enjoyed Sunshine the couple times I played it and I play 64 yearly. Galaxy is not the same style as 64 and Sunshine, it has a lot of side scrolling segments and actually uses the power ups. It's like a hybrid of the two and also a good set of games. I've already explained this. To claim my posts are the same as his just proves you aren't actually reading what I typed.
Oh no, I definitely read what you typed.
n00bsaib0t posted...
What boggles my mind is how some of you think that we should only get one kind of game. Some of us want platforming instead of collecting shit. 3D Land and 3D World where what I expected out of SM64. You know, a real 3D Mario game. You all have your head too far up your ass to accept that you aren't the only one playing video games. The two styles can and do exist side by side now.
Like I said, you're stooping down to his level when you make shitposts like that.
One plays exactly like the games that came before it, one doesn't. I'm not wrong.
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n00bsaib0t posted...
BowserNeo posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
BowserNeo posted...
Try telling THAT to the 64 and Sunshine fanboys.
That's only Dumdumwantsgum, who I have on ignore.
You guys really aren't making a better case for yourselves by spouting the same shit he does.
Except it's not the same shit. I never side 64 or Sunshine were bad, just that they don't play like Mario games. They are as much of a Mario game in gameplay as the sports games. They don't play like the 7 games before 64 that established a clear formula. They are very much spin offs of the original games. Good spin offs, I enjoyed Sunshine the couple times I played it and I play 64 yearly. Galaxy is not the same style as 64 and Sunshine, it has a lot of side scrolling segments and actually uses the power ups. It's like a hybrid of the two and also a good set of games. I've already explained this. To claim my posts are the same as his just proves you aren't actually reading what I typed.
Oh no, I definitely read what you typed.
n00bsaib0t posted...
What boggles my mind is how some of you think that we should only get one kind of game. Some of us want platforming instead of collecting shit. 3D Land and 3D World where what I expected out of SM64. You know, a real 3D Mario game. You all have your head too far up your ass to accept that you aren't the only one playing video games. The two styles can and do exist side by side now.
Like I said, you're stooping down to his level when you make shitposts like that.
One plays exactly like the games that came before it, one doesn't. I'm not wrong.
They are both Mario games. They are both 3D platformers. They both have an x y and z axis. They are all real 3D. Don't get so butthurt from dumdum's trolling that you need to create a false reality.
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BowserNeo posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
BowserNeo posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
BowserNeo posted...
Try telling THAT to the 64 and Sunshine fanboys.
That's only Dumdumwantsgum, who I have on ignore.
You guys really aren't making a better case for yourselves by spouting the same shit he does.
Except it's not the same shit. I never side 64 or Sunshine were bad, just that they don't play like Mario games. They are as much of a Mario game in gameplay as the sports games. They don't play like the 7 games before 64 that established a clear formula. They are very much spin offs of the original games. Good spin offs, I enjoyed Sunshine the couple times I played it and I play 64 yearly. Galaxy is not the same style as 64 and Sunshine, it has a lot of side scrolling segments and actually uses the power ups. It's like a hybrid of the two and also a good set of games. I've already explained this. To claim my posts are the same as his just proves you aren't actually reading what I typed.
Oh no, I definitely read what you typed.
n00bsaib0t posted...
What boggles my mind is how some of you think that we should only get one kind of game. Some of us want platforming instead of collecting shit. 3D Land and 3D World where what I expected out of SM64. You know, a real 3D Mario game. You all have your head too far up your ass to accept that you aren't the only one playing video games. The two styles can and do exist side by side now.
Like I said, you're stooping down to his level when you make shitposts like that.
One plays exactly like the games that came before it, one doesn't. I'm not wrong.
They are both Mario games.
They are both 3D platformers.
They both have an x y and z axis.
They are all real 3D. Don't get so butthurt from dumdum's trolling that you need to create a false reality.
According to this kind of logic, Sonic 3D blast and a Link between worlds are also true 3D games
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BowserNeo posted...
Try telling THAT to the 64 and Sunshine fanboys.
That's only Dumdumwantsgum, who I have on ignore.
You guys really aren't making a better case for yourselves by spouting the same shit he does.
I love Sunshine :)
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NSMB2 >> Super Mario 64
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n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
LimboStudios posted...
how absolutely fucking delusional do you have to be to actually call the 3D Mario series spin-offs? Like, what level of detachment from reality or common sense is required? You're like the fucking tools who say Metroid Prime is a spinoff.
Damage control pretty much. They need to find ways to justify 3D World's existance.
If they were part of the main series they wouldn't be "3D Mario", they would just be Mario. But you yourselves keep referring to them separately. That should tell you everything about them.
We call them 2D Mario and 3D Mario. They're more main series than the bland and mediocre 2D games.
Even my most peaceful and calm posts are somehow designed to belittle those that disagree with me even a little, get used to it~!
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Dumdumwantgum posted...
According to this kind of logic, Sonic 3D blast and a Link between worlds are also true 3D games
Wouldn't they be? It is a bit easier to classify Zelda though, as the main difference is camera perspective (overhead vs. 3rd person).
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LimboStudios posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
LimboStudios posted...
how absolutely fucking delusional do you have to be to actually call the 3D Mario series spin-offs? Like, what level of detachment from reality or common sense is required? You're like the fucking tools who say Metroid Prime is a spinoff.
Damage control pretty much. They need to find ways to justify 3D World's existance.
If they were part of the main series they wouldn't be "3D Mario", they would just be Mario. But you yourselves keep referring to them separately. That should tell you everything about them.
We call them 2D Mario and 3D Mario. They're more main series than the bland and mediocre 2D games.
I think "bland and mediocre" could also describe how I felt about 3D World as a whole. Thank god we are getting a true 3D Mario game this fall.
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LimboStudios posted...
how absolutely fucking delusional do you have to be to actually call the 3D Mario series spin-offs? Like, what level of detachment from reality or common sense is required? You're like the fucking tools who say Metroid Prime is a spinoff.
To be fair, that one actually some credence related to statements that have since been made. Although it still takes some logical leaps to get there. Not sure how saying it's a "side story" is meant to be interpreted as "not canon" or "alternate universe" or what have you. Majora's codename was "Zelda Gaiden," and its place in the timeline was never questioned at all.
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GallantChaddymn posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
What boggles my mind is how some of you think that we should only get one kind of game. Some of us want platforming instead of collecting shit. 3D Land and 3D World where what I expected out of SM64. You know, a real 3D Mario game. You all have your head too far up your ass to accept that you aren't the only one playing video games. The two styles can and do exist side by side now.
HALLELUJAH!
Thank fucking Christ a sane individual! agree 100%, couldn't have said ti better myself.
@GallantChaddymn @n00bsaib0t I agree with him too! When it was first announced they were planning for a Mario game on the Nintendo 64, I was expecting it would either be a 2D sequel to Mario World at first and am still disappointed they didn't do a 2D game with Mario himself in it on the 64. When they talked about how it was going to be a 3D Mario game I was imagining something like 3D World or perhaps even World remade in 3D! The game that was the end result was probably not what Mario's first 3D game should have been. The game that ended up being his first 3D game should have been the 2nd 3D Mario game instead. I would have been satisfied with that. With his first 3D game I'd think they would have wanted to keep a lot of the concepts and ideas everyone had gotten used to over the first 4 2D games and translate those to 3D. Don't get me wrong, Mario 64 is good but they really did change quite a bit too quickly for comfort. I was personally a bit disappointed with his first 3D game. I think Sunshine should have been the third 3D game instead of 2nd. Galaxy drop landed where I expected it to. Just...a lot of what's in 3D Land and World should have been in that first 3D game.
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bh7812 posted...
GallantChaddymn posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
What boggles my mind is how some of you think that we should only get one kind of game. Some of us want platforming instead of collecting shit. 3D Land and 3D World where what I expected out of SM64. You know, a real 3D Mario game. You all have your head too far up your ass to accept that you aren't the only one playing video games. The two styles can and do exist side by side now.
HALLELUJAH!
Thank fucking Christ a sane individual! agree 100%, couldn't have said ti better myself.
@GallantChaddymn @n00bsaib0t I agree with him too! When it was first announced they were planning for a Mario game on the Nintendo 64, I was expecting it would either be a 2D sequel to Mario World at first and am still disappointed they didn't do a 2D game with Mario himself in it on the 64. When they talked about how it was going to be a 3D Mario game I was imagining something like 3D World or perhaps even World remade in 3D! The game that was the end result was probably not what Mario's first 3D game should have been. The game that ended up being his first 3D game should have been the 2nd 3D Mario game instead. I would have been satisfied with that. With his first 3D game I'd think they would have wanted to keep a lot of the concepts and ideas everyone had gotten used to over the first 4 2D games and translate those to 3D. Don't get me wrong, Mario 64 is good but they really did change quite a bit too quickly for comfort. I was personally a bit disappointed with his first 3D game. I think Sunshine should have been the third 3D game instead of 2nd. Galaxy drop landed where I expected it to. Just...a lot of what's in 3D Land and World should have been in that first 3D game.
This whole post sounds like BS. I mean, there wasn't even stable internet back in 1996, most people didn't know about upcoming games until a few weeks before their release.
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SupooperMario4 posted...
bh7812 posted...
GallantChaddymn posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
What boggles my mind is how some of you think that we should only get one kind of game. Some of us want platforming instead of collecting shit. 3D Land and 3D World where what I expected out of SM64. You know, a real 3D Mario game. You all have your head too far up your ass to accept that you aren't the only one playing video games. The two styles can and do exist side by side now.
HALLELUJAH!
Thank fucking Christ a sane individual! agree 100%, couldn't have said ti better myself.
@GallantChaddymn @n00bsaib0t I agree with him too! When it was first announced they were planning for a Mario game on the Nintendo 64, I was expecting it would either be a 2D sequel to Mario World at first and am still disappointed they didn't do a 2D game with Mario himself in it on the 64. When they talked about how it was going to be a 3D Mario game I was imagining something like 3D World or perhaps even World remade in 3D! The game that was the end result was probably not what Mario's first 3D game should have been. The game that ended up being his first 3D game should have been the 2nd 3D Mario game instead. I would have been satisfied with that. With his first 3D game I'd think they would have wanted to keep a lot of the concepts and ideas everyone had gotten used to over the first 4 2D games and translate those to 3D. Don't get me wrong, Mario 64 is good but they really did change quite a bit too quickly for comfort. I was personally a bit disappointed with his first 3D game. I think Sunshine should have been the third 3D game instead of 2nd. Galaxy drop landed where I expected it to. Just...a lot of what's in 3D Land and World should have been in that first 3D game.
This whole post sounds like BS. I mean, there wasn't even stable internet back in 1996, most people didn't know about upcoming games until a few weeks before their release.
It's not our fault you weren't playing with power.
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Dumdumwantgum posted...
LimboStudios posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
LimboStudios posted...
how absolutely fucking delusional do you have to be to actually call the 3D Mario series spin-offs? Like, what level of detachment from reality or common sense is required? You're like the fucking tools who say Metroid Prime is a spinoff.
Damage control pretty much. They need to find ways to justify 3D World's existance.
If they were part of the main series they wouldn't be "3D Mario", they would just be Mario. But you yourselves keep referring to them separately. That should tell you everything about them.
We call them 2D Mario and 3D Mario. They're more main series than the bland and mediocre 2D games.
I think "bland and mediocre" could also describe how I felt about 3D World as a whole. Thank god we are getting a true 3D Mario game this fall.
We've been getting true 3D Marios for years. Also, how was 3D World bland?
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LuigiFan835 posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
LimboStudios posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
LimboStudios posted...
how absolutely fucking delusional do you have to be to actually call the 3D Mario series spin-offs? Like, what level of detachment from reality or common sense is required? You're like the fucking tools who say Metroid Prime is a spinoff.
Damage control pretty much. They need to find ways to justify 3D World's existance.
If they were part of the main series they wouldn't be "3D Mario", they would just be Mario. But you yourselves keep referring to them separately. That should tell you everything about them.
We call them 2D Mario and 3D Mario. They're more main series than the bland and mediocre 2D games.
I think "bland and mediocre" could also describe how I felt about 3D World as a whole. Thank god we are getting a true 3D Mario game this fall.
We've been getting true 3D Marios for years.
Also, how was 3D World bland?
Something about time limits, linear stages, no heath bar and other such nonsense. You know, aspects of the classic SMB that made Mario a household name and gaming icon.
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ROB45 posted...
LuigiFan835 posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
LimboStudios posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
LimboStudios posted...
how absolutely fucking delusional do you have to be to actually call the 3D Mario series spin-offs? Like, what level of detachment from reality or common sense is required? You're like the fucking tools who say Metroid Prime is a spinoff.
Damage control pretty much. They need to find ways to justify 3D World's existance.
If they were part of the main series they wouldn't be "3D Mario", they would just be Mario. But you yourselves keep referring to them separately. That should tell you everything about them.
We call them 2D Mario and 3D Mario. They're more main series than the bland and mediocre 2D games.
I think "bland and mediocre" could also describe how I felt about 3D World as a whole. Thank god we are getting a true 3D Mario game this fall.
We've been getting true 3D Marios for years.
Also, how was 3D World bland?
Something about time limits, linear stages, no heath bar and other such nonsense. You know, aspects of the classic SMB that made Mario a household name and gaming icon.
Flagpoles and time limits never made Mario an icon, they were only crutches, rightfully removed in later games then added back for some baffling reason.
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Dumdumwantgum posted...
ROB45 posted...
LuigiFan835 posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
LimboStudios posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
Damage control pretty much. They need to find ways to justify 3D World's existance.
If they were part of the main series they wouldn't be "3D Mario", they would just be Mario. But you yourselves keep referring to them separately. That should tell you everything about them.
We call them 2D Mario and 3D Mario. They're more main series than the bland and mediocre 2D games.
I think "bland and mediocre" could also describe how I felt about 3D World as a whole. Thank god we are getting a true 3D Mario game this fall.
We've been getting true 3D Marios for years.
Also, how was 3D World bland?
Something about time limits, linear stages, no heath bar and other such nonsense. You know, aspects of the classic SMB that made Mario a household name and gaming icon.
Flagpoles and time limits never made Mario an icon, they were only crutches, rightfully removed in later games then added back for some baffling reason.
"Later games" being 2 games in the middle.
Surely there's no problem with them putting me in Brawl, right?
It's ****ing satire, damnit. 6 times 3 isn't 200 either!
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Dumdumwantgum posted...
Flagpoles and time limits never made Mario an icon, they were only crutches, rightfully removed in later games then added back for some baffling reason.
The stars in Galaxy 1/2 may as well have been flagpoles, as they missions were still pretty linear even if they did offer more exploration that 3DL/W. Certain missions in Galaxy 1/2 also had time limits, and besides the levels with shortened time limits, the time limits in 3D Land and World were rarely an issue. :/
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LuigiFan835 posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
Flagpoles and time limits never made Mario an icon, they were only crutches, rightfully removed in later games then added back for some baffling reason.
The stars in Galaxy 1/2 may as well have been flagpoles, as they missions were still pretty linear even if they did offer more exploration that 3DL/W. Certain missions in Galaxy 1/2 also had time limits, and besides the levels with shortened time limits, the time limits in 3D Land and World were rarely an issue.
:/
Which is clearly why Miyamoto doesn't consider the Galaxy games in the same "3D Mario" subseries as 64 and Sunshine.
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LuigiFan835 posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
Flagpoles and time limits never made Mario an icon, they were only crutches, rightfully removed in later games then added back for some baffling reason.
The stars in Galaxy 1/2 may as well have been flagpoles, as they missions were still pretty linear even if they did offer more exploration that 3DL/W. Certain missions in Galaxy 1/2 also had time limits, and besides the levels with shortened time limits, the time limits in 3D Land and World were rarely an issue.
:/
They're crutches. They aren't innovative or good gameplay elements. If Mario 1 didn't have time limits, and featured an end collectible instead of a flagpole, NEWS FLASH, no one would have cared. Moons/stars/whatever are so much more versatile than flagpoles. Also, if anything, the timer should go UP. Players should challenge themselves to get the fastest time, not be forced by a time limit that's nothing but artificial difficulty.
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Dumdumwantgum posted...
They're crutches. They aren't innovative or good gameplay elements. If Mario 1 didn't have time limits, and featured an end collectible instead of a flagpole, NEWS FLASH, no one would have cared. Moons/stars/whatever are so much more versatile than flagpoles.
I know that facts mean nothing to you, but NSMB has both concepts, as does 3D Land / World. The concept that actually started in SMW with the Dragon Coins, actually. Things to collect, and a clear goal post at the end of a level.
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n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
They're crutches. They aren't innovative or good gameplay elements. If Mario 1 didn't have time limits, and featured an end collectible instead of a flagpole, NEWS FLASH, no one would have cared. Moons/stars/whatever are so much more versatile than flagpoles.
I know that facts mean nothing to you, but NSMB has both concepts, as does 3D Land / World. The concept that actually started in SMW with the Dragon Coins, actually. Things to collect, and a clear goal post at the end of a level.
Those are Star Coins, not Stars. I don't know why some people can't tell the difference. One is a goal point, the other is simply a collectible.
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Dumdumwantgum posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
They're crutches. They aren't innovative or good gameplay elements. If Mario 1 didn't have time limits, and featured an end collectible instead of a flagpole, NEWS FLASH, no one would have cared. Moons/stars/whatever are so much more versatile than flagpoles.
I know that facts mean nothing to you, but NSMB has both concepts, as does 3D Land / World. The concept that actually started in SMW with the Dragon Coins, actually. Things to collect, and a clear goal post at the end of a level.
Those are Star Coins, not Stars.
I don't know why some people can't tell the difference.
One is a goal point, the other is simply a collectible.
You heard it from the "3D Mario" fanboy himself, the stars in 64 are just a goal point. They are fundamentally identical to the flagpoles he claims to hate.
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n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
They're crutches. They aren't innovative or good gameplay elements. If Mario 1 didn't have time limits, and featured an end collectible instead of a flagpole, NEWS FLASH, no one would have cared. Moons/stars/whatever are so much more versatile than flagpoles.
I know that facts mean nothing to you, but NSMB has both concepts, as does 3D Land / World. The concept that actually started in SMW with the Dragon Coins, actually. Things to collect, and a clear goal post at the end of a level.
Those are Star Coins, not Stars.
I don't know why some people can't tell the difference.
One is a goal point, the other is simply a collectible.
You heard it from the "3D Mario" fanboy himself, the stars in 64 are just a goal point. They are fundamentally identical to the flagpoles he claims to hate.
The only troll here is you, who completely ignores the fact that stars/moons/etc are much more versatile on how you receive them, and aren't just simply crutches that make every level end the same damn way. Do you want every 3D Mario to be just stages and stages of boring obstacle courses?
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That's a bummer as 3D World is AWESOME!. I feel bad for so many of you that don't have 3 friends that could play the game with you. It's one of the greatest Co-op games ever.
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Dumdumwantgum posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
They're crutches. They aren't innovative or good gameplay elements. If Mario 1 didn't have time limits, and featured an end collectible instead of a flagpole, NEWS FLASH, no one would have cared. Moons/stars/whatever are so much more versatile than flagpoles.
I know that facts mean nothing to you, but NSMB has both concepts, as does 3D Land / World. The concept that actually started in SMW with the Dragon Coins, actually. Things to collect, and a clear goal post at the end of a level.
Those are Star Coins, not Stars.
I don't know why some people can't tell the difference.
One is a goal point, the other is simply a collectible.
You heard it from the "3D Mario" fanboy himself, the stars in 64 are just a goal point. They are fundamentally identical to the flagpoles he claims to hate.
The only troll here is you, who completely ignores the fact that stars/moons/etc are much more versatile on how you receive them, and aren't just simply crutches that make every level end the same damn way.
Do you want every 3D Mario to be just stages and stages of boring obstacle courses?
None of them are boring. And you don't get to throw around the word "troll" when you repeatedly ignore what I've actually said to try and push posts like this. Sorry kiddo.
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n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
They're crutches. They aren't innovative or good gameplay elements. If Mario 1 didn't have time limits, and featured an end collectible instead of a flagpole, NEWS FLASH, no one would have cared. Moons/stars/whatever are so much more versatile than flagpoles.
I know that facts mean nothing to you, but NSMB has both concepts, as does 3D Land / World. The concept that actually started in SMW with the Dragon Coins, actually. Things to collect, and a clear goal post at the end of a level.
Those are Star Coins, not Stars.
I don't know why some people can't tell the difference.
One is a goal point, the other is simply a collectible.
You heard it from the "3D Mario" fanboy himself, the stars in 64 are just a goal point. They are fundamentally identical to the flagpoles he claims to hate.
The only troll here is you, who completely ignores the fact that stars/moons/etc are much more versatile on how you receive them, and aren't just simply crutches that make every level end the same damn way.
Do you want every 3D Mario to be just stages and stages of boring obstacle courses?
None of them are boring. And you don't get to throw around the word "troll" when you repeatedly ignore what I've actually said to try and push posts like this. Sorry kiddo.
They are very, VERY boring. That's not what 3D Mario should be about, and that's not what it WILL be about on Switch. I'll gladly enjoy my "Sonic Adventure" Mario, thank you very much. If you're feeling sour, just play Crash Bandicoot 3D World.
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(Topic Creator)19 hours ago#127
This thread has evolved into a shitfest.
My only point was if you didn't like 3D Land/World, don't blame Miyamoto, blame Koichi Hayashida.
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OMEGA RUGAL posted...
That's a bummer as 3D World is AWESOME!.
I feel bad for so many of you that don't have 3 friends that could play the game with you.
It's one of the greatest Co-op games ever.
Lol, NO THANKS. I'd prefer an actual step forward in the series, not a game bogged down in scope due to obnoxious multiplayer where the run button is the same as the throw button. This is why I bought a Switch in the first place, because it has a fixed 3D Mario.
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Dumdumwantgum posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
They're crutches. They aren't innovative or good gameplay elements. If Mario 1 didn't have time limits, and featured an end collectible instead of a flagpole, NEWS FLASH, no one would have cared. Moons/stars/whatever are so much more versatile than flagpoles.
I know that facts mean nothing to you, but NSMB has both concepts, as does 3D Land / World. The concept that actually started in SMW with the Dragon Coins, actually. Things to collect, and a clear goal post at the end of a level.
Those are Star Coins, not Stars.
I don't know why some people can't tell the difference.
One is a goal point, the other is simply a collectible.
You heard it from the "3D Mario" fanboy himself, the stars in 64 are just a goal point. They are fundamentally identical to the flagpoles he claims to hate.
The only troll here is you, who completely ignores the fact that stars/moons/etc are much more versatile on how you receive them, and aren't just simply crutches that make every level end the same damn way.
Do you want every 3D Mario to be just stages and stages of boring obstacle courses?
None of them are boring. And you don't get to throw around the word "troll" when you repeatedly ignore what I've actually said to try and push posts like this. Sorry kiddo.
They are very, VERY boring. That's not what 3D Mario should be about, and that's not what it WILL be about on Switch.
I'll gladly enjoy my "Sonic Adventure" Mario, thank you very much. If you're feeling sour, just play Crash Bandicoot 3D World.
Once again proving you never played Crash Bandicoot. The PSone Classics are dirt cheap and there's a fancy remastered trilogy if you want to try them out. Half of the levels run straight forward, while the other half are side scrolling. It's nothing like 3D Land or 3D World. Nice try though.
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They are everything like 3D Land and 3D World, I love how you can't even explain why they aren't, because you know I am right. I'd argue those games do a better job actually, at least they lock you in a hallway and don't tease your instincts to explore. AND WHAT? No time limits? The timer goes UP? WHAT A CRAZY CONCEPT!
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Dumdumwantgum posted...
They are everything like 3D Land and 3D World, I love how you can't even explain why they aren't, because you know I am right.
I'd argue those games do a better job actually, at least they lock you in a hallway and don't tease your instincts to explore. AND WHAT? No time limits? The timer goes UP? WHAT A CRAZY CONCEPT!
I love how you just described how they are different. But they're totally alike, guys!
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n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
They are everything like 3D Land and 3D World, I love how you can't even explain why they aren't, because you know I am right.
I'd argue those games do a better job actually, at least they lock you in a hallway and don't tease your instincts to explore. AND WHAT? No time limits? The timer goes UP? WHAT A CRAZY CONCEPT!
I love how you just described how they are different. But they're totally alike, guys!
They aren't that different, just a much better take on the linear 3D platformer.
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Dumdumwantgum posted...
n00bsaib0t posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
They are everything like 3D Land and 3D World, I love how you can't even explain why they aren't, because you know I am right.
I'd argue those games do a better job actually, at least they lock you in a hallway and don't tease your instincts to explore. AND WHAT? No time limits? The timer goes UP? WHAT A CRAZY CONCEPT!
I love how you just described how they are different. But they're totally alike, guys!
They aren't that different, just a much better take on the linear 3D platformer.
Running in a straight line isn't really 3D. It's the same concept as a 2D platformer if the camera was behind you, and half the levels are 2D platformers. If Crash is a 3D platformer so is Contra.
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Dumdumwantgum posted...
Also, if anything, the timer should go UP. Players should challenge themselves to get the fastest time, not be forced by a time limit that's nothing but artificial difficulty.
I realize i'm basically just taking up nitpicks with you at this point, but that's mostly because of most of the things I already agree with you about. Not that you'll acknowledge that, but I might as well put that out there anyway. If you had problems in any of the Mario games with time limits aside from the levels where they explicitly bring the timer way down for challenge, that's on you. It's hardly even artificial difficulty. None of the older games did that, and to my knowledge the vast majority of levels that did it in the newer ones are postgame content. The only exception to that is NSLU where it was the entire gimmick.
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Dumdumwantgum posted...
They are everything like 3D Land and 3D World, I love how you can't even explain why they aren't, because you know I am right.
I'd argue those games do a better job actually, at least they lock you in a hallway and don't tease your instincts to explore. AND WHAT? No time limits? The timer goes UP? WHAT A CRAZY CONCEPT!
What's wrong with 3DL/W allowing you to explore? Isn't that good? And again, you're making this time limit out to be a way bigger deal than it actually is. In one of the games except NSLU has it actually been an issue
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LuigiFan835 posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
They are everything like 3D Land and 3D World, I love how you can't even explain why they aren't, because you know I am right.
I'd argue those games do a better job actually, at least they lock you in a hallway and don't tease your instincts to explore. AND WHAT? No time limits? The timer goes UP? WHAT A CRAZY CONCEPT!
What's wrong with 3DL/W allowing you to explore? Isn't that good?
And again, you're making this time limit out to be a way bigger deal than it actually is. In one of the games except NSLU has it actually been an issue
Exploring is putting it nicely. Basically all the levels are broad to accomodate the idiotic 4-player clusterfuck. Crash is a tight, well designed, cinematic 3D Linear platformer that isn't compromised by multiplayer. Comparing it to 3DW is insulting to the Crash series.
Even my most peaceful and calm posts are somehow designed to belittle those that disagree with me even a little, get used to it~!
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LimboStudios posted...
LuigiFan835 posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
They are everything like 3D Land and 3D World, I love how you can't even explain why they aren't, because you know I am right.
I'd argue those games do a better job actually, at least they lock you in a hallway and don't tease your instincts to explore. AND WHAT? No time limits? The timer goes UP? WHAT A CRAZY CONCEPT!
What's wrong with 3DL/W allowing you to explore? Isn't that good?
And again, you're making this time limit out to be a way bigger deal than it actually is. In one of the games except NSLU has it actually been an issue
Exploring is putting it nicely. Basically all the levels are broad to accomodate the idiotic 4-player clusterfuck.
Crash is a tight, well designed, cinematic 3D Linear platformer that isn't compromised by multiplayer. Comparing it to 3DW is insulting to the Crash series.
Lol.
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ROB45 posted...
LimboStudios posted...
LuigiFan835 posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
They are everything like 3D Land and 3D World, I love how you can't even explain why they aren't, because you know I am right.
I'd argue those games do a better job actually, at least they lock you in a hallway and don't tease your instincts to explore. AND WHAT? No time limits? The timer goes UP? WHAT A CRAZY CONCEPT!
What's wrong with 3DL/W allowing you to explore? Isn't that good?
And again, you're making this time limit out to be a way bigger deal than it actually is. In one of the games except NSLU has it actually been an issue
Exploring is putting it nicely. Basically all the levels are broad to accomodate the idiotic 4-player clusterfuck.
Crash is a tight, well designed, cinematic 3D Linear platformer that isn't compromised by multiplayer. Comparing it to 3DW is insulting to the Crash series.
Lol.
I don't know what Limbo is thinking. Sonic Lost World is a much better example.
Surely there's no problem with them putting me in Brawl, right?
It's ****ing satire, damnit. 6 times 3 isn't 200 either!
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SmallerRidley posted...
I don't know what Limbo is thinking. Sonic Lost World is a much better example.
Thinking more than you're able to apparently. Won't even humor ROB45, his opinions go beyond what humans consider as shit taste. But I don't really expect Ninty bootlickers to recognize how great the original Crash Trilogy is.
Even my most peaceful and calm posts are somehow designed to belittle those that disagree with me even a little, get used to it~!
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(Topic Creator)15 hours ago#140
LimboStudios posted...
SmallerRidley posted...
I don't know what Limbo is thinking. Sonic Lost World is a much better example.
Thinking more than you're able to apparently.
Won't even humor ROB45, his opinions go beyond what humans consider as shit taste.
But I don't really expect Ninty bootlickers to recognize how great the original Crash Trilogy is.
ROB45 doesn't even have that type of taste. He's just a gimmick user. Seems like he has controversial opinions just to piss people off. Like a fantroll but less fanboy-ish.
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LimboStudios posted...
SmallerRidley posted...
I don't know what Limbo is thinking. Sonic Lost World is a much better example.
Thinking more than you're able to apparently.
Won't even humor ROB45, his opinions go beyond what humans consider as shit taste.
But I don't really expect Ninty bootlickers to recognize how great the original Crash Trilogy is.
Shit taste indeed. Apparently you don't like Mario 64, Crash 3, Spyro or Banjo.
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(Topic Creator)15 hours ago#142
ROB45 posted...
LimboStudios posted...
SmallerRidley posted...
I don't know what Limbo is thinking. Sonic Lost World is a much better example.
Thinking more than you're able to apparently.
Won't even humor ROB45, his opinions go beyond what humans consider as shit taste.
But I don't really expect Ninty bootlickers to recognize how great the original Crash Trilogy is.
Shit taste indeed. Apparently you don't like Mario 64, Crash 3, Spyro or Banjo.
I agree with him actually you have shit taste. But that's just because you are a blatant gimmick user.
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Trippotato posted...
ROB45 posted...
LimboStudios posted...
SmallerRidley posted...
I don't know what Limbo is thinking. Sonic Lost World is a much better example.
Thinking more than you're able to apparently.
Won't even humor ROB45, his opinions go beyond what humans consider as shit taste.
But I don't really expect Ninty bootlickers to recognize how great the original Crash Trilogy is.
Shit taste indeed. Apparently you don't like Mario 64, Crash 3, Spyro or Banjo.
I agree with him actually you have shit taste. But that's just because you are a blatant gimmick user.
Gotta love that classic gamefaqs logic. Seems rather foolhardy to insult timeless classics just to flame other users.
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LimboStudios posted...
Thinking more than you're able to apparently.
Won't even humor ROB45, his opinions go beyond what humans consider as s*** taste.
But I don't really expect Ninty bootlickers to recognize how great the original Crash Trilogy is.
That's rich considering your attitude leads me to believe you wouldn't have played Crash until this year. I could have told you Crash 1-3 was a good series like 18 years ago when I played them. CTR is pretty good too. Notice I didn't have to start shitting on Nintendo to acknowledge quality on other platforms?
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Trippotato posted...
ROB45 posted...
LimboStudios posted...
SmallerRidley posted...
I don't know what Limbo is thinking. Sonic Lost World is a much better example.
Thinking more than you're able to apparently.
Won't even humor ROB45, his opinions go beyond what humans consider as shit taste.
But I don't really expect Ninty bootlickers to recognize how great the original Crash Trilogy is.
Shit taste indeed. Apparently you don't like Mario 64, Crash 3, Spyro or Banjo.
I agree with him actually you have shit taste. But that's just because you are a blatant gimmick user.
That's ironic coming from you. And Limbo is a huge Sony tool.
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(Topic Creator)4 hours ago#146
Maverick_Reznor posted...
Trippotato posted...
ROB45 posted...
LimboStudios posted...
SmallerRidley posted...
I don't know what Limbo is thinking. Sonic Lost World is a much better example.
Thinking more than you're able to apparently.
Won't even humor ROB45, his opinions go beyond what humans consider as shit taste.
But I don't really expect Ninty bootlickers to recognize how great the original Crash Trilogy is.
Shit taste indeed. Apparently you don't like Mario 64, Crash 3, Spyro or Banjo.
I agree with him actually you have shit taste. But that's just because you are a blatant gimmick user.
That's ironic coming from you.
And Limbo is a huge Sony tool.
"OHH HuRRDURR HES A SONY TROLL BECAUSE HE CRITIcized NinTendo!" Man, you fan trolls are all the fucking same.
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Maverick_Reznor posted...
That's ironic coming from you.
And Limbo is a huge Sony tool.
A huge Sony tool that for this generation has only owned a Wii U, a PC and soon a Switch...huh, wonder how that works. Maybe I'm a Nintendo consumer and therefore I criticize Nintendo because I want better products, must be fucking rocket science to you complacent bootlickers. @arvilino funny you say that, because when I praise games on other platforms I never do it shitting on Nintendo, if we're talking about services, there's plenty of reason to shit on them when comparing them to infinitely better offerings.
Even my most peaceful and calm posts are somehow designed to belittle those that disagree with me even a little, get used to it~!
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(Topic Creator)3 hours ago#148
LimboStudios posted...
Maverick_Reznor posted...
That's ironic coming from you.
And Limbo is a huge Sony tool.
A huge Sony tool that for this generation has only owned a Wii U, a PC and soon a Switch...huh, wonder how that works. Maybe I'm a Nintendo consumer and therefore I criticize Nintendo because I want better products, must be fucking rocket science to you complacent bootlickers.
@arvilino funny you say that, because when I praise games on other platforms I never do it shitting on Nintendo, if we're talking about services, there's plenty of reason to shit on them when comparing them to infinitely better offerings.
Like I said, he's a fantroll, he pulls the sony card because that's literally the only thing they know how to do.
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LimboStudios posted...
LuigiFan835 posted...
Dumdumwantgum posted...
They are everything like 3D Land and 3D World, I love how you can't even explain why they aren't, because you know I am right.
I'd argue those games do a better job actually, at least they lock you in a hallway and don't tease your instincts to explore. AND WHAT? No time limits? The timer goes UP? WHAT A CRAZY CONCEPT!
What's wrong with 3DL/W allowing you to explore? Isn't that good?
And again, you're making this time limit out to be a way bigger deal than it actually is. In one of the games except NSLU has it actually been an issue
Exploring is putting it nicely. Basically all the levels are broad to accomodate the idiotic 4-player clusterfuck.
Crash is a tight, well designed, cinematic 3D Linear platformer that isn't compromised by multiplayer. Comparing it to 3DW is insulting to the Crash series.
Crash is great but you're giving it way too much praise imo
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I don't so much mind the style of nsmb and 3dworld/land games it's the lack of creativity in them. A lot of people who have played enough games talk about platformers having the obligatory grass world, ice world, desert world, water world, lava world, and the aforementioned mario games adhere pretty strongly to that. On top of that in 3dworld/land would it have killed them to put a little background on the levels so they're not just platforms floating in mid air for no discernible reason?
The games don't even really have that much creativity in the level design either. Mario games don't even get moderately challenging until the final world now. You could say the games are supposed to be easy, ok but then don't criticize people for saying the game is rote and uninteresting.
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